Noble's Promise: Did Willie Cost him at least a placing?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Listen. The jock did not ride the horse the way McPeek apparently wanted him to be ridden. Moreover, this jock has cost the connections a number of wins; PRIMARILY the BC (and at least a 2nd in the Derby). There's no way, PHIL, that you can tell me that he didn't move prematurely in the BC. How can these people be in the game and be clueless to the fact that this jock cost them the BC? It's clear to anyone with a low level tripping ability and these people don't get it? It's pitiful.

Bejarano was super-patient on him in the Cash Call Futurity. He didn't explode in the stretch. He just runs o.k. He couldn't catch LAL. You can't transfer that huge middle move NP has going 2 turns. It will only become a mediocre late move. He's a sprinter/miler. Don't care how obnoxious you write. Now matter how condescending you are to people, this horse naturally wants to move at a certain time. If you change that, he will not put in this huge stretch move (especially not going 9 or 10f.) This is a nice sprinter/miler.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Bejarano was super-patient on him in the Cash Call Futurity. He didn't explode in the stretch. He just runs o.k. He couldn't catch LAL. You can't transfer that huge middle move NP has going 2 turns. It will only become a mediocre late move. He's a sprinter/miler. Don't care how obnoxious you write. Now matter how condescending you are to people, this horse naturally wants to move at a certain time. If you change that, he will not put in this huge stretch move (especially not going 9 or 10f.) This is a nice sprinter/miler.

I'd watch the Cash Call again, Ace. Wasn't that the race where LaL was inside the entire race and NP was widest BOTH turns. If I remember correctly NP ran about 4 or 5 lengths more and lost by 3/4 of a length.

[hockey2315]

Don't feel like reading through all of this - so maybe it was already mentioned - but Noble's Promise is now likely for the Preakness. Might offer some good value. . .

[blackthroatedwind]

Noble's Promise would be a good pickup for a good rider that is open. I know the Fat Man has belabored it to death, but he's right, this horse never seems to get a good ride. Now, maybe he's tough to ride, but he could use a patient rider like Gomez.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Don't feel like reading through all of this - so maybe it was already mentioned - but Noble's Promise is now likely for the Preakness. Might offer some good value. . .

good, tell the guy (complaining) to bet him again, lose again and start another thread about how the jockey gave a horse with no shot of making it, a bad ride........ my money says that horse will come up short again. how many times does super saver have to beat the crap out of him? whose bred to run the distance noble or the winner, regaurdless of how the trip goes?.....it sure ain't the son of cuvee!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'd watch the Cash Call again, Ace. Wasn't that the race where LaL was inside the entire race and NP was widest BOTH turns. If I remember correctly NP ran about 4 or 5 lengths more and lost by 3/4 of a length.

Wouldn't mind seeing Gomez ride him. Still think he'll flatten out going 9-10f in Grade 1 races. Are you saying Bejarano, Albarado, and Willie all gave this horse a bad ride? The only problem is the ride? He's had 6 two-turn races. The only one where he isn't giving up ground (late) is the race where they set a 1:13 pace. That race is thought of as one of LAL's least impressive efforts. Even when he won going two turns, he was giving up ground late in the race.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Wouldn't mind seeing Gomez ride him. Still think he'll flatten out going 9-10f in Grade 1 races. Are you saying Bejarano, Albarado, and Willie all gave this horse a bad ride? The only problem is the ride? He's had 6 two-turn races. The only one where he isn't giving up ground (late) is the race where they set a 1:13 pace. That race is thought of as one of LAL's least impressive efforts. Even when he won going two turns, he was giving up ground late in the race.

how bout ramon