Obama: Arizona law securing borders is "misguided"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

the arizona legislature is working on passing a rehabilitation bill removing the word "solely".

they know as worded it wouldn't get past even this supreme court.

ignoring the actual issue of immigration, the only thing dem's could have asked in terms of electoral politics is that arizona waited until september to pass this bill.

this doesn't play into the republican narrative for november at all. they already have the pissed off white folk vote nailed down. the last thing they needed was doofus arizona legislator's handing brown people another reason to go out and vote again.

i still think hispanics could be an important part of the republican base if they'd just get out of the habit of constantly reminding them how much they're not wanted.

[GenuineRisk]

[Riot]

All the good citizens of Arizona are rushing around making copies of their birth certificates and passports, eager to comply with this new law, having to prove their citizenship upon demand from a local cop when they get stopped for speeding.

[nomad]

They shouldn't be speeding

[Riot]

That's not the point, is it?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Riot

All the good citizens of Arizona are rushing around making copies of their birth certificates and passports, eager to comply with this new law, having to prove their citizenship upon demand from a local cop when they get stopped for speeding.

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

[Princess Doreen]

I'm just a natural at picking a fight on the opposing team's bench.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

they really need a birth certificate? Wouldnt a drivers license be enough proof?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

National I.D cards issued by the feds would solve alot of issues , I dont have a problem with showing any officer of the law that I am a legal U.S. resident.
Even easier dont issue drivers liscence's to anyone who deosnt have a working visa or a green card . Dont issue social security cards to non citizens( which the feds do) I mean what the hell is up with that ?
I know its to collect tax money from them while they are working here but really they should be able to figure out some other way than giving someone a S.S. number.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

Reminds me of the seatbelt law in NY. When they wanted it passed, they promised the cops wouldn't pull anyone over just for not wearing a seatbelt. HAR! You will get pulled over just for not wearing a seatbelt, in fact, you will get pulled over for no reason at all if the cops feel like pulling you over. As for the jobs Americans won't do... cut off welfare from some of the scammers in this country and you will be surprised at the jobs they will do. Unfortunately (fortunately?) most of the illegals coming into this country for work bring something with them that seems to be in short supply here. It's called "work ethic".

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Reminds me of the seatbelt law in NY. When they wanted it passed, they promised the cops wouldn't pull anyone over just for not wearing a seatbelt. HAR! You will get pulled over just for not wearing a seatbelt, in fact, you will get pulled over for no reason at all if the cops feel like pulling you over. As for the jobs Americans won't do... cut off welfare from some of the scammers in this country and you will be surprised at the jobs they will do. Unfortunately (fortunately?) most of the illegals coming into this country for work bring something with them that seems to be in short supply here. It's called "work ethic".

great post man.

[SOREHOOF]

I'm pretty sure a good percentage of Police officers in AZ are of Hispanic descent.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Unfortunately (fortunately?) most of the illegals coming into this country for work bring something with them that seems to be in short supply here. It's called "work ethic".

On that I can agree. We recently had a new roof put on our house. It was done through SEARS contractors. I was assured and given proof that all the proper documentation was in place for the workers and insurance proof. Yada, yada, yada. Five men showed up - only one spoke English. I never saw anyone work as hard as they did. They got the job done in two days, and it's a big ranch house. Worked solid from 8 a.m. - 6 p.m. We had to beg them to stop to eat lunch or drink a bottle of water, and they each apologized profusely for having to use the bathroom.

Still, illegal is illegal. Issue time stamped work passes, but how the heck does the U. S. government have the resources to monitor something like that?!~

I guess the answer would be to just deport the ones that are found and let the states do what they can to stop further illegal immigration.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Still, illegal is illegal. Issue time stamped work passes, but how the heck does the U. S. government have the resources to monitor something like that?!~

I don't think the Feds really care.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I don't think the Feds really care.

Nope - the suits and skirts in DC want to keep as many votes as they can. And, that's precisely why that states are getting involved. No one should be against immigration. That's what this country was founded on. But illegal immigration is unfair to those who are trying to do it the right way and held in a hold pattern for years on end.

But, as the old saying goes, "Tiz easier to gain forgiveness than it is to obtain approval."

[SOREHOOF]

They do care!
http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182...e/ftc-vi26.wmv

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

They do care!
http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182...e/ftc-vi26.wmv

As I said, the suits and skirts want to keep votes. POS, indeed!

[Antitrust32]

The one thing I dont understand is white American people who always get their panties in a bunch over the English language. "IF YOU DONT SPEAK ENGLISH YOU SHOULDNT BE IN AMERICA" crap. Like its a fault of somebody if they only speak Spanish. such hogwash.

There should be more pride in being bilingual. I mean, this is America right! A lot of people speak English and a LOT of people speak Spanish! Why are the English speaking folks "better" than Spanish speaking people? I'm embarrassed that I'm not fluent in Spanish. When I meet someone who speaks spanish & broken English, I dont think "oh.. well that guy needs to speak English if he wants to be in my country".. i feel embarrassed that I only know one language when most of the civilized world is bilingual!