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Old 02-06-2017, 06:34 PM
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I'm pretty sure he was taking a shot at rock Tard Hen and not doing the west coast vs east coast thing. As to why, it's because rth is rth.
The Elate comment, which I agree was directed at RTH, was still silly.

I just hate the "this horse could easily have gone faster" line as it is rarely the case.
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Old 02-06-2017, 07:32 PM
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The Elate comment, which I agree was directed at RTH, was still silly.

I just hate the "this horse could easily have gone faster" line as it is rarely the case.
It's a terrible argument.

It's also ironic that Mike Smith had no problem slapping the sh.it out of Arrogate the whole way home in the Travers but cuddles both Songbird and Unique Bella. I'd never question his motives or knowledge in any way, but I'd love to see him let the latter run next time if she's well clear.
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:34 PM
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It's a terrible argument.

It's also ironic that Mike Smith had no problem slapping the sh.it out of Arrogate the whole way home in the Travers but cuddles both Songbird and Unique Bella. I'd never question his motives or knowledge in any way, but I'd love to see him let the latter run next time if she's well clear.
I asked this question, take the response for what its worth but was told that Arrogate tends to start looking around and can shut off, and he did not see the type of lead he had built up in the Travers and did not want to get caught if the horse suddenly started slowing on his own.

If you watch him over the years he does like to really gear horses down in stretch when they are winning easy, guess we all have our faults.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:07 PM
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It's a terrible argument.

It's also ironic that Mike Smith had no problem slapping the sh.it out of Arrogate the whole way home in the Travers but cuddles both Songbird and Unique Bella. I'd never question his motives or knowledge in any way, but I'd love to see him let the latter run next time if she's well clear.
If you can get a video of the 1990 Jim Dandy you will really see what Smith is capable of.

I think the whip count was higher than the Beyer Speed Figure.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:23 PM
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If you can get a video of the 1990 Jim Dandy you will really see what Smith is capable of.

I think the whip count was higher than the Beyer Speed Figure.
Chief Honcho? 38 times?
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:29 PM
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Chief Honcho? 38 times?
I wish I could find the video.

Smith would only admit to 17 times in the stretch. The start of the stretch in his mind might be the 1/16th pole.

To be fair, he did say that he "really got into him".

Actually, 38 times might be accurate because that's probably what the Beyer figure was. 6f fraction in 1:16+ and a final time like 4 seconds slower (1:51+) than the Whitney.

Mott declared in the winner's circle that he would not enter the horse in the Travers. But he probably should have. The Travers favorite was Go And Go, who was eased.

Perhaps Chief Honcho could have kept Rhythm from winning his only other race of consequence beyond the BC Juvenile.
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