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![]() Besides obviously Zenyatta which horse or horses can win it with a BC win? Does Workforce have an outside chance with a Turf win if an outsider wins the Classic?
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Horses with a chance with a Classic win....QR, Blame, and Lucky. Paddy and Haynesfield might get some votes but I can't see them winning. . |
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![]() I don't know about you guys, but if all the faves in the BCC bomb, and Uncle Mo shatters a world record in the juvie, my vote would go to him!
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![]() What if Mr Andy only gives him a 102?
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![]() workforce could potentially win the top turf award if he wins big on bc day...but hoy? no way. obviously if blame or quality road wins the classic, they get HOY. they've both had very good campaigns all year, better than any other horse out there. also, lookin at lucky could get the award should he win.
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![]() I don't put a lot of credence to BSF's when used to evaluate the better horses. It seems pretty subjective, some of the time.
However, if Mo shatters a world record as a 2yo for a route distance, it's safe to say he'll get a pretty high number. |
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![]() I am very much against Euro shippers winning North American championships off of one race on the continent. Horse racing is NOT like baseball or pro football or basketball, which have tournaments to determine the best team. Horse racing is more like NASCAR or golf; some events are bigger and more prestigious than others but if one of them is won by a longshot, he doesn't automatically become the overall champion. It's what happens over the entire season that matters.
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![]() Blind Luck has lost some races she shouldn't have, has squeaked out others over pretty weak rivals, while Mo would have been undefeated with a world record performance!
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![]() Plus Blind Luck would still have to win her race over a really soft group. Ill likely bet Evening Jewel if she goes in that spot.
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The fact that she has lost sonme races is actually a positive in my thinking. It just proves that she had the most ambitious schedule. She entered every big race. She faced every big name in her division. She always ran her race (even in defeat). If more horses were campaigned like Blind Luck was this year, we would have a much better sport. Paul |
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![]() If we are saying a chance, Paddy and Haynesfield would likely win it, if they win the Classic.
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![]() For what its worth, I think Workforce is a toss on primary tickets in the Turf. Intent is so important in the BC, and the race was a pure afterthought for these guys. He'll take a ton of money...I prefer a horse like Tazeez over Workforce.
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![]() He'll take money no doubt, people just seem to like to automatically toss Arc winners because past Arc winners have not done well in the BC turf. I'm not saying I will bet him because you may be correct he probably will be overbet, but he is a talented horse, lightly raced and probably most important he is trained by M Stoute who has a great record in BC's, he could be the first to buck that Arc jinx. Long overdue.
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Trempolino had Theatrical. Dylan Thomas was massively overrated and was probably going off form anyways. Etc. Etc. |
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![]() For top Euro's the Arc is THE destination race for the year. In most cases the BCT is somewhat of an afterthought. For Arc winners it might represent a level of hubris on the part of the owners who now see their Arc winner as invincible. For Arc non winners, it's a chance at vindcation, often against far lesser rivals.
The calendar is important too. Some years the Arc has been run far closer to the BC. The Cup is late this year, a full 5 weeks after Arc weekend, giving horses a chance to rebound. Arc winners are usually very good horses and I wouldn't toss an Arc winner out of hand. I do like to see what the trainers are saying. Remember in European racing, trainers are used to making binding declarative statements. They are called before officials if they change tactics unannounced or use pacemakers without declaring them as such. Thus, I tend to take Euro trainers' statements to Euro racing press as more binding than any of the jabber I hear from American trainers.
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That race he lost to Harbinger, I saw a reason he ran like such crap in there too. That race was a complete throwout. |
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Look for Euros with good races on left-hand courses and on those with short stretches, like Chester. |