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Old 06-19-2006, 10:08 AM
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the myth ..horses that race in the middle east then return bounce like a ping pong balls myth confirmed..brass hat did not run well.....only one ive seen that did ..was that horse that steve liked a few weeks back...what do ya think...
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:13 AM
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the myth ..horses that race in the middle east then return bounce like a ping pong balls myth confirmed..brass hat did not run well.....only one ive seen that did ..was that horse that steve liked a few weeks back...what do ya think...
It seems like horses dont do well after a couple of things

1) After the triple crown run horses dont seem to perform well.
2) After a horse going to Dubai and then comes back to the states

But there are some exceptions. Can anyone name a horse who won the Derby that went on to have a good 4 or 5 year old season? (this is not intended to bring up Funny Cide again).
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:15 AM
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:18 AM
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They all bounce worse than Phil and Monty walking the 18th fairway.
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:19 AM
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Silver Charm and Real Quiet were both G1 winners at 4...haven't been that many even try to run as a 4yo
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:21 AM
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Now I know why I miss this horse so much. Other than Silver Charm who is there?
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:43 AM
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Now I know why I miss this horse so much. Other than Silver Charm who is there?
I'm pretty sure all of these won G1's as 4 yo's:
Funny Cide
Real Quiet
Alysheba (huge 4 yo year... retired after BCC win)
Spectacular Bid (Huger 4 yo year 10 for 10, I believe)
Seattle Slew
Foolish Pleasure (I remember he beat Forego in a big NY race)
Riva Ridge
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:44 AM
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I'm pretty sure all of these won G1's as 4 yo's:
Funny Cide
Real Quiet
Alysheba (huge 4 yo year... retired after BCC win)
Spectacular Bid (Huger 4 yo year 10 for 10, I believe)
Seattle Slew
Foolish Pleasure (I remember he beat Forego in a big NY race)
Riva Ridge
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:06 AM
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I'm pretty sure all of these won G1's as 4 yo's:
Funny Cide
Real Quiet
Alysheba (huge 4 yo year... retired after BCC win)
Spectacular Bid (Huger 4 yo year 10 for 10, I believe)
Seattle Slew
Foolish Pleasure (I remember he beat Forego in a big NY race)
Riva Ridge
Look at the list... Funny Cide excepted, for the most part, these are some of the best Derby winners of the last 35 years. The kind who's talent can't be denied, even when they aren't at the top of their game.

I do think the trip to Dubai takes it out of them. Silver Charm, Cigar, Roses in May- to name a few- were never the same after that trip
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:23 AM
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Of course one could argue that he won only one other Grade I after his three year old season. But he has multiple Gade II wins.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:53 AM
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the myth ..horses that race in the middle east then return bounce like a ping pong balls myth confirmed..brass hat did not run well.....only one ive seen that did ..was that horse that steve liked a few weeks back...what do ya think...
Hooves, throw in Wilko's fifth in the Met Mile after a very strong 3rd in Dubai.

But lets also look at these from this year who werent as bad

Relaxed Gesture - 2nd Manhattan
Super Frolic - 2nd Californian
Gaff - 2nd Maryland BC Handicap

None others come to mind that ran in Dubai this year
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:05 PM
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Hooves, throw in Wilko's fifth in the Met Mile after a very strong 3rd in Dubai.

But lets also look at these from this year who werent as bad

Relaxed Gesture - 2nd Manhattan
Super Frolic - 2nd Californian
Gaff - 2nd Maryland BC Handicap

None others come to mind that ran in Dubai this year
Saturday, quite a few have come back and run ok but there is one big difference, the ones who caem back and ran ok didnt run a step over there. gesture was beaten a football field there. He didnt expend any energy, neither did the others. You haveto break em down by who actually spent energy there and who didnt. The ones who spend energy, they are the ones who run like brass hat.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:08 PM
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Silver Charm was something special.. as was Free House (maybe even more game in the long run)
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