Nice try Nostradamus

#1 09-09-2006, 04:23 PM

Cacique layed over this field.
Showing Up got away with a perfect trip right off the soft pace and got windburned when cacique exploded by him in a last 1/8th of 10 and change!!!!!!!!

randallscott35 · #2 09-09-2006, 04:24 PM

Cacique's got an edge on your boy now Kev.

randallscott35 · #3 09-09-2006, 04:27 PM

Alive in the Pick 4, just like everybody else I believe, to 3,4,5,8, and 11 for a 2$ ticket.

lemoncrush · #4 09-09-2006, 04:34 PM

Cacique never fails to fire.

I would never bet a 3 y/o facing a grade 1 calibur field of older horses for the first time. He should have been 4 or 5-1 against this group. As Oracle said, Cacique swallowed him up even after showing up got a cozy trip just off the leader.

Now the finale, which makes me nervous.
$3 pick 4 ticket alive to the 3; $1 pick 4 ticket to the 3,8 and 11.
The first leg was where everyone thought the value would come from, and Gomez came through with the favorite.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 09-09-2006, 04:44 PM

this 2 is live at belmont s 10th use him in the super ect 16-1....super box 2/3/4/8/11......ouch....lol

PSH · #6 09-09-2006, 04:45 PM

Visually, had to be his best race to date...
Sitting mid pack seems to suit him well and the closing kick was insane....

Looks ready for a big one on Breeders Cup Day....
Suspect Frankel will train him up to that one...

#7 09-09-2006, 06:15 PM

In reality Showing Up is the best 3Yo grass horse of the year at this point.
But its awful tough to step up and beat solid older horses like cacique.
He'd be best served aiming at the Hollywood Derby and its lucrative payday rather than the Breeders Cup.

#8 09-09-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Alive in the Pick 4, just like everybody else I believe, to 3,4,5,8, and 11 for a 2$ ticket.

You know Randall I think Pletcher played better chess here. While cacique has the edge now, I dunno if running him right back in the Turf Classic is the right move.
If he doesnt go and EC does and wins, then he has the edge.
And since both probably won'[t beat the Euros in the BC, basically its EC's championship if he wins the Turf Classic.

Kasept · #9 09-09-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

In reality Showing Up is the best 3Yo grass horse of the year at this point. But its awful tough to step up and beat solid older horses like cacique. He'd be best served aiming at the Hollywood Derby and its lucrative payday rather than the Breeders Cup.

Mike..

I think he'd do well aiming for the BC Mile.. This was his longest try yet, and it's clear while he's versatile, 1.5m is beyond his scope. Think War Chant...

#10 09-09-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Mike..

I think he'd do well aiming for the BC Mile.. This was his longest try yet, and it's clear while he's versatile, 1.5m is beyond his scope. Think War Chant...

Steve hes just not that talented. hes beaten 3Yo's with two perfect trips.
Todays race was really not even as good as his 3rd place looks.
He sat an absolute perfect trip behind dawdling fractions and got first run at the longshot leader when he faded. he had a full tank of gasoline and still got passed by Go deputy.
I saw War Chant, and War Chant he aint. Not even close. If he tries the mile he'd be lucky to beat 4 horses.

Kasept · #11 09-09-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Steve hes just not that talented. hes beaten 3Yo's with two perfect trips. Todays race was really not even as good as his 3rd place looks. He sat an absolute perfect trip behind dawdling fractions and got first run at the longshot leader when he faded. he had a full tank of gasoline and still got passed by Go deputy. I saw War Chant, and War Chant he aint. Not even close. If he tries the mile he'd be lucky to beat 4 horses.

His figs fit nicely with these today, and while empty for the stretch drive, it could simply be that it's further than he cares to go. He is far from talentless. The effort at Colonial was quite good, and he's displayed nice versatility up to today. He was giving away experience, and the less than firm footing could have been a factor too.

I think Tagg has to figure out what exactly he's best at, and he doesn't have a great deal of time to do it. The Mile seems like the only logical spot, and you know the Jacksons are going to want to be there. I would say that with the modest career starts, long distance limitations (9.5f max?) and ability to win on dirt and turf, he's the closest thing we've seen to War Chant..

Crown@club · #12 09-09-2006, 06:48 PM

Put him in the mile! End of Story! Tired of hearing of the Great Showing Up and that he should win easily.

#13 09-09-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

His figs fit nicely with these today, and while empty for the stretch drive, it could simply be that it's further than he cares to go. He is far from talentless. The effort at Colonial was quite good, and he's displayed nice versatility up to today. He was giving away experience, and the less than firm footing could have been a factor too.

I think Tagg has to figure out what exactly he's best at, and he doesn't have a great deal of time to do it. The Mile seems like the only logical spot, and you know the Jacksons are going to want to be there. I would say that with the modest career starts, long distance limitations (9.5f max?) and ability to win on dirt and turf, he's the closest thing we've seen to War Chant..

To be honest with you if I were Frankel I would run cacique in the mile.
His turn of foot when rated is just crushing, and the mile would allow him to settle off a hotter pace, esepcially at Cd where the mile is two turns.
Don't be surprised if frankel chooses the mile with cacique. hes prone to changing his mind, and I wouldnt be surprised if he went mile with cacique, and won.
Showing Up should be much better at age 4, the properly handled ones always are.

ateamstupid · #14 09-09-2006, 07:08 PM

I would like SU in the BCM as well, but why not the Classic? He's obviously a step below Bernardini and Invasor, but last time I checked, third and fourth in that race pay pretty well.

sumitas · #15 09-09-2006, 08:01 PM

If SU prior 2 wins on T were on firm then today's showing on good explains the lack of punch. Still a decent effort from SU.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #16 09-09-2006, 08:07 PM

Showing Up will get his butt kicked by older horses if he decides to run in the BC he will just get in the way and make someone else miserable in the process
But watch they will run him they will say well we are gonna half to start faceing older sooner or later and for the a chance at the BC purses you better belive he will be there

hoovesupsideyourhead · #17 09-09-2006, 08:10 PM

my pick today go deputy ran huge and with a better trip will do well in the bc.....

Nostradamus · #18 09-09-2006, 08:32 PM

I will take my beating like a man. I thought he would win and lost $250 on him. I did win it all back in the ninth with my $24 horse I gave out it our picks thread. I also picked Brilliant.

The Showing Up camp was happy with his effort. They just thought he was a little too aggressive. He did run ok but there is a distance question with him. The turf was not very good either. Rumor has it he will try the dirt again. Breeders Cup Classic would be interesting. My brother really thinks he will definitely go in the Breeders Cup Mile.

Danzig · #19 09-09-2006, 08:34 PM

he ought to go in the classic...he's a good horse, but you gotta be much better than good to beat older as a 3 yo....

here's hoping he runs next year, don't see why showing up wouldn't....maybe he can pull a 'lava man' and win gr 1's on both surfaces. of course now i guess we have to say on three surfaces, don't we?

Nostradamus · #20 09-09-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Distance wise, it might be around his best, but Tagg seems to think he is better on turf. He didn't run all that bad in the Derby, but I think it'd be a longshot. He seems like a tweener to me, I'm not sold that a mile is his best distance, and I have doubts about him winning grade I races at 1 1/2. Too bad there is a 1 3/16 BC race.

Tagg does not think he is better on the turf. He just does not know. He even said it on ATRAB on Monday. He will be around next year so they probably will experiment a little with him.

Tagg likes a lot of time between races so I really think he will be freshened up for the Breeders Cup Turf. He just ran out of gas today.