Ness barn raided at Tampa

Kasept · #1 04-21-2009, 04:24 PM

Been meaning to update on this and just thought to write it up. Don't have much info, but Jamie Ness' barn at Tampa Bay Downs was raided this morning. He was at Presque Isle. Nothing further is known as of yet.

freddymo · #2 04-21-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Been meaning to update on this and just thought to write it up. Don't have much info, but Jamie Ness' barn at Tampa Bay Downs was raided this morning. He was at Presque Isle. Nothing further is known as of yet.

Same BS as the Levine raid last year at Monmouth Steve?

santana · #3 04-21-2009, 05:39 PM

He isnt the only one thats been raided lately.

Duvalier · #4 04-21-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by santana

He isnt the only one thats been raided lately.

At Tampa or at other tracks?

Kasept · #5 04-21-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Same BS as the Levine raid last year at Monmouth Steve?

Hard to say yet... Guess it depends on what they were looking for and if they took blood, etc.. With Levine, they took blood and tested for EPO and struck out. A great number of the nefarious looking performances are coming from simple milkshaking. Tubing isn't needed any more.. they give a paste "bullet" of the bi-carb mixture. They look for some exotic juice when in fact the horses are getting Rolaids...

freddymo · #6 04-21-2009, 06:02 PM

I think we should all thank Rene Poulin for bringing milkshaking to TB's from Standardbred's... Can always count on the French Canadians for the good stuff

#7 04-21-2009, 06:10 PM

They won't find anything. He's simply Michael Jordan playing in the special olympics tournament.

cmorioles · #8 04-22-2009, 10:29 AM

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I think we should all thank Rene Poulin for bringing milkshaking to TB's from Standardbred's... Can always count on the French Canadians for the good stuff

Yes, like booing our National Anthem at hockey games.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 04-21-2009, 06:11 PM

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Tubing isn't needed any more.. they give a paste "bullet" of the bi-carb mixture. They look for some exotic juice when in fact the horses are getting Rolaids...

Where do they sell these paste "bullets" at ?

freddymo · #10 04-21-2009, 06:15 PM

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Where do they sell these paste "bullets" at ?

The Bullet Depot DUH?

Danzig · #11 04-21-2009, 06:35 PM

bullets r us.

Bigsmc · #12 04-21-2009, 07:07 PM

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Hard to say yet... Guess it depends on what they were looking for and if they took blood, etc.. With Levine, they took blood and tested for EPO and struck out. A great number of the nefarious looking performances are coming from simple milkshaking. Tubing isn't needed any more.. they give a paste "bullet" of the bi-carb mixture. They look for some exotic juice when in fact the horses are getting Rolaids...

Can these bullets beat the normal milkshaking tests? Tampa has been testing for milkshakes for a few years. They nabbed Don Rice (RIP) more than once with that testing.

Kasept · #13 04-21-2009, 07:24 PM

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Can these bullets beat the normal milkshaking tests? Tampa has been testing for milkshakes for a few years. They nabbed Don Rice (RIP) more than once with that testing.

The theory is that shake users have fine-tuned the bi-carb mix and amounts given to keep the CO2 levels in the horse below the threshold that tests as a milkshake positive. Since horses have widely differing levels of CO2 in their systems, the positive level is quite high. So a horse testing just under the threshold positive level can very well have been been shaked.

A very prominent trainer, who has been around, has told me that he is sure that shakes are the majority of the seemingly outrageous performances we see from certain trainers and certain horses.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #14 04-21-2009, 07:38 PM

m.m..

Bigsmc · #15 04-21-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

The theory is that shake users have fine-tuned the bi-carb mix and amounts given to keep the CO2 levels in the horse below the threshold that tests as a milkshake positive. Since horses have widely differing levels of CO2 in their systems, the positive level is quite high. So a horse testing just under the threshold positive level can very well have been been shaked.

A very prominent trainer, who has been around, has told me that he is sure that shakes are the majority of the seemingly outrageous performances we see from certain trainers and certain horses.

Thanks for the info. Steve.

docicu3 · #16 04-21-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

The theory is that shake users have fine-tuned the bi-carb mix and amounts given to keep the CO2 levels in the horse below the threshold that tests as a milkshake positive. Since horses have widely differing levels of CO2 in their systems, the positive level is quite high. So a horse testing just under the threshold positive level can very well have been been shaked.

A very prominent trainer, who has been around, has told me that he is sure that shakes are the majority of the seemingly outrageous performances we see from certain trainers and certain horses.

The alchemists have figured out how to use the alkaline "paste" in a way that when inside a horse (via blood,respiratory or GI tract) during a race, it is able to maintain a high enough Ph during race conditions to avoid anaerobic metabolism and lactic acidosis due to effort or exertion thus the horse doesn't tire.

The additional advantage of these drugs are that they somehow avoid an end product of CO2 measured in blood when tested. Whether the paste is metabolized to COH or COOH or anything else is irrelevant. It's obvious that the alchemy wizards have figured out how to avoid excessive CO2 which is what is tested in venous horse blood.

Nothing new, the criminals are one step ahead of the law......at least for now. Frozen blood samples for all stakes winners would seem to be a good idea for now.