Ness barn raided at Tampa
 

Been meaning to update on this and just thought to write it up. Don't have much info, but Jamie Ness' barn at Tampa Bay Downs was raided this morning. He was at Presque Isle. Nothing further is known as of yet.

Same BS as the Levine raid last year at Monmouth Steve?

He isnt the only one thats been raided lately.

At Tampa or at other tracks?

Hard to say yet... Guess it depends on what they were looking for and if they took blood, etc.. With Levine, they took blood and tested for EPO and struck out. A great number of the nefarious looking performances are coming from simple milkshaking. Tubing isn't needed any more.. they give a paste "bullet" of the bi-carb mixture. They look for some exotic juice when in fact the horses are getting Rolaids...

I think we should all thank Rene Poulin for bringing milkshaking to TB's from Standardbred's... Can always count on the French Canadians for the good stuff

They won't find anything. He's simply Michael Jordan playing in the special olympics tournament.

Where do they sell these paste "bullets" at ?

The Bullet Depot DUH?

bullets r us.

Can these bullets beat the normal milkshaking tests? Tampa has been testing for milkshakes for a few years. They nabbed Don Rice (RIP) more than once with that testing.

The theory is that shake users have fine-tuned the bi-carb mix and amounts given to keep the CO2 levels in the horse below the threshold that tests as a milkshake positive. Since horses have widely differing levels of CO2 in their systems, the positive level is quite high. So a horse testing just under the threshold positive level can very well have been been shaked.

A very prominent trainer, who has been around, has told me that he is sure that shakes are the majority of the seemingly outrageous performances we see from certain trainers and certain horses.

m.m..:rolleyes:

all they will find is some different size shoes, a couple tongue ties, and maybe some differnet bits

Thanks for the info. Steve.

No way, not that guy

Mike Maker is a man of the utmost integrity I hear.

No. The milkshaking tests measure the total CO2 in the blood, no matter how that TCO2 gets to where it is (lasix shot pre-race, feed, milkshaking, etc)

Any trainer (or vet) that uses Tums or Rolaids (instead of plain Arm & Hammer baking soda) to "milkshake" probably isn't very bright, IMO, as they are, first, wasting a ton of money :D, and secondly, using calcium carbonate inside of sodium bicarbonate. Not the same metabolic effect.

Bicarbonate ion is the conjugate base component of bicarbonate:carbonic-acid buffer, the principal extracellular buffer in the body. Plainly, it buffers acid, hopefully delaying muscle fatigue. Sodium bicarb is a great and quick pH buffer, but the massive amounts of sodium can be problematic.

Calcium carbonate (the weak "oral antacids" like Tums and Rolaids) are not antacids for the pH of the blood or extracellular space, they are intra-GI tract antacids. They target excess hydrogen ions within the GI tract (which doesn't affect the blood or extracellular fluid pH). Calcium carbonate will bind with phosphorous in the gut (preventing absorpsion), and the calcium is poorly absorbed from the gut and so passes out and does essentially nothing to the blood in even massive overdose (luckily, as if it was absorbed en mass, the calcium would probably cause cardiac problems). Possibly cause a constipation colic. If they administer it regularly, could screw up the horses bone density.

The effect on the bodies acid-base buffering capacity ... essentially nil.

They aren't cheaters because they are smart.

Who said anything about tums or rolaids? They are using paste in dose syringes similar to those used for bute.