Beyer Fig from Saturday

[blackthroatedwind]

Curlin - 103

Blue Grass - 93

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Curlin - 103

Blue Grass - 93

Ouch ..."poly" crap???

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Ouch ..."poly" crap???

I really don't think that the poly track is to blame for the figure as there have been some good figures run on it, by these horses.

I say its more to do with the riders and how they decided to allow the pace to unfold. I think its a riders reaction to how the poly is playing and not wanting to compromise their horses chances.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I really don't think that the poly track is to blame for the figure as there have been some good figures run on it, by these horses.

I say its more to do with the riders and how they decided to allow the pace to unfold. I think its a riders reaction to how the poly is playing and not wanting to compromise their horses chances.

I agree. There was no pace at all

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I really don't think that the poly track is to blame for the figure as there have been some good figures run on it, by these horses.

I say its more to do with the riders and how they decided to allow the pace to unfold. I think its a riders reaction to how the poly is playing and not wanting to compromise their horses chances.

Agreed, the opening quarter was 26 and 1 I think...just really crawling alone.
I was actually surprised the horse on the lead didnt go gate to wire with those fractions.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Agreed, the opening quarter was 26 and 1 I think...just really crawling alone.
I was actually surprised the horse on the lead didnt go gate to wire with those fractions.

and what, 51 and 2 for the half....teuf a definite bet against if he faces a good field again, if he was any kind of horse he'd have held on with that 'pace'.
still amazed that dominican was able to pass street sense, all things considered. yeah, a head bob....

that really was an exciting finish--almost a turf race at the end, with four across at the line.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Curlin - 103

Blue Grass - 93

I'm very surprised they didn't treat the Blue Grass like a turf race and give it a higher figure.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'm very surprised they didn't treat the Blue Grass like a turf race and give it a higher figure.

It really was run like a turf race, and that is the way to look at it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

It really was run like a turf race, and that is the way to look at it.

Absolutely and for that reason any number for this race is somewhat fabricated. Beyer felt that this number worked well, as it fell in line for four of the participants, and he said even though it is a difficult number he thinks he may have actually gotten it right.

what else is he gonna say, he thinks he got it wrong? 24 hours after the race and its wrong??

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by easy goer

what else is he gonna say, he thinks he got it wrong? 24 hours after the race and its wrong??

What does this mean?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Time Squared got an 88 Beyer for beating one horse....

The figure for the Blue Grass is pointless anyway....but, Stream Cat, who's career top Beyer was an 88 ran 13 points faster earlier on in the card, and the filly of Mott's that won from mid-pack also ran 13 points faster.

I'm positive he cut the race loose....if he doesn't...it's like an 82

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

he thinks he may have actually gotten it right.

Think is a good answer. What a joke

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Shouldn't the figure -- which as everyone should know is extremely difficult to compose given the lack of Polytrack experience to date -- be exclusively the product of the time of that race run at Keeneland on Saturday?

If that was the case, and they didn't "cut the figure loose", the Blue Grass number would have come back in the low-to-mid 80's.

Because mistakes compound themselves in the figure making process, a man made speed figure will be cut loose in an instance like that, and numbers will be assigned that fall in line that fit with the previous numbers of the runners in the race.

Stream Cat, who's career top Beyer was an 88 coming into Saturday, ran 13 Beyer points faster than the Blue Grass on raw time. The Mott filly did so as well.

[10 pnt move up]

I am interested to see what a few other figure makers come up with for the blue grass.

[whodey17]

The faster one learns that beyers are a bunch of fooey the faster one becomes a better handicapper.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

The faster one learns that beyers are a bunch of fooey the faster one becomes a better handicapper.

I wish more players thought the same. I think your saying U don't know how to use them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

The faster one learns that beyers are a bunch of fooey the faster one becomes a better handicapper.

I didn't ridicule your silly post in the selections room last night and this is the thanks I get?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That one was hard for me as well.

It was a true test of self control.