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![]() One of those "dirty jobless hippies" - a famous screen writer - involved with the Occupy Movement
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http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/?mid=5490 "Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor." "It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. " "he LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges."
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![]() Reminds me of a story I once heard about a guy named 'Potato Salad' who got kicked out of a bar for wearing a hat.
The Family Guy should have invited everyone to his yard to sit in a circle and lock arms and the they still could be there. |
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![]() For a misdemeanor.
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Fourth Amendment matter to anyone? They made the choice to not resist arrest for a misdemeanor - not moving when ordered to by a policeman. So do you consider being forced to kneel on cement for 7 hours, with your hands ziplocked behind your back, police brutality or not? How about vomiting repeatedly and passing out with zero police help while in custody? Do you think that should be legal in the United States of America? Or do you think a militarized, fascist police state is just what is needed in the USA right now? I thought you guys were supposed to be big, basic, freedom-loving Conservative American patriots? Dell? As a self-professed Libertarian, you should be infuriated at this. But you are not. Why not? So you guys think that peaceful legal protest with civil disobedience over a misdemeanor should result in nerve damage for a professional writer? And that's okay with you guys?
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 12-07-2011 at 07:10 PM. |
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![]() No worries. When they grow up they'll learn to listen to police or anyone with a gun for that matter. Riot weren't you just a few months ago pushing for Fed money to distributed so teachers, police and firemen could retain their jobs? Or was that then and now is now?
![]() You should give Occupy that idea and come up with a sign saying "Support our Police" could give that dying Occupy movement the shot in the arm it needs. |
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Screw the Constitution, huh? You're no libertarian.
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The protesters should ask themselves one question next time when setting up. Do the local laws allow overnight camping? If so, bingo that's the spot. For instance in Chicago, lower Wacker Dr. would be an ideal choice. Blocking bridges and roads are no nos. It's not really that hard to protest w/o problems. Maybe look to the Tea Partiers among the Occupy hoard for some guidance. They seemed to do it right the last time. Also not that they'd want to but protesting specific events at specific times frees up a huge amount of time, as opposed to sitting in a park, and you can even maintain a job, if that's not too much of selling out for them. While they sit in a park imagining they represent the 99%, they watch 90% of the 99 pass by on the way to work each weekday. |
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Plain and simple. Because he was told to move and didn't. If he felt his civil rights were violated than he should have gone home and prepared a lawsuit. Instead he acted like a child throwing a fit when told what to do and was laid down in the bed he made. BTW There's no way he kneeled on cement for 7hrs. You forget I'm catholic and familiar with kneeling and its limits. Kneeling for 7hrs on concrete > holding your breath underwater for 7 minutes Last edited by dellinger63 : 12-07-2011 at 07:33 PM. |
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![]() For seven hours? Absolutely!!!
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![]() Sitting in a circle with arms interlocked singing is the adult version of a child laying down kicking and screaming or becoming limp and yelling LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA.
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The L.A. P.D. did more than just than close down the streets for them they made sure their march was peacefull, they also warned the squaters who on purpose put tents up in the streets that if they put them up they would be arrested. Also the City of L.A. told them they had to move but there was another place they could go to continue their protesting. The freaking loser Mayor came out and told them on T.V. that they had to move, that they couldnt obstruct the City Hall lawn. I dont oppose anyone's right to protest as they like but when it directly affects the lives and buisness's of people going about their daily lives I have a problem with it. Riot are you so blinded by your bleeding heart that you cant see?
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![]() Actually, no. I watched it happen live on multiple UStreams, with live comments from people there.
Were you there? I doubt it. Because the night of the arrests there was no march. The marched on the sidewalks around the city hall (which blocked no one). Police set up a perimeter and wouldn't anyone in (clearly visible from the news helicopters covering the story). So yeah, those businesses were affected: at midnight. But it wasn't due to the protesters. It was due to the police coming in. Coming in to make arrests over something they allowed for 2 months. In fact, the LA PD liason officer to Occupy, the officer that works with Occupy, at 10:30pm, was broadcast saying, "No, there will be no arrests tonight". Of course, the arrests came at midnight, so he was not lying. But the validity of Occupy isn't what this thread is about. It is about what the police did to the protesters and how they treated them during and after the arrest process. What do you think about that?
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 12-07-2011 at 08:41 PM. |
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They marched down the middle of Fig. St at 7 am in the freaking morning, they put up tents in the streets after they were told they would be arrested. Half the freaking police force of L.A. were there making sure everything went down smoothly. People got to march and they got to be heard, they Occupied 4 lanes of a public thoroughfare and the surrounding streets and they got to camp out and protest for days, with no police officer impededing them. They were fair warned that they needed to move and they didnt care......you cannot just freaking take up public space forever and if you dont believe that the whole Occupy L.A. protest didnt affect people's forward progress you are blind.
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![]() ![]() yeah lets promote police violently infringing on the constitution.
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![]() the police aren't infringing on the constitution! lol how ridiculous!
people have the right to free speech and free assembly. they do not however have the right to squat on private land, block traffic, impede others, trespass, build structures, litter, damage property, etc, etc. go back and look at everytime the police were called in to remove protesters. it had nothing to do with right to speech or assembly. had everything to do with ignoring no 24 hour stay laws, camping rules, etc, etc i doubt their rights would worry some on here quite so much if they didn't agree with the protest in question! i don't recall certain posters always backing protesters (whereas some of us do-i defend the aclu on a regular basis as well, gets me grief) regardless of their stance. i guess some protesters are more equal than others? much like your right to speech doesn't include yelling fire in a crowded theatre when there isn't one, one hasn't got the right to congregate wherever they please, for however long they choose, for whatever reason however noble they may feel it is. protesters are given ample opportunity to remove themselves before being removed by force. it's a fact that some of them actively seek arrest so that they can help portray cops as attacking innocent protesters and get headlines, and get people bewailing their fate. many others get their point across just as well but move when told to. an arrest isn't a violation of their rights. a trial without a jury is, or a long incarceration without formal charges brought.
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We are not owned nor controlled by a militarized police. They cannot order us not to protest on public property, to move along, to be quiet. Guess what? It worked for Ghandi, and it worked for Martin Luther King, and it's being used here to draw attention to the movement. And it's certainly worked - the national conversation has changed. But we in America have the right to protest, and to peacefully assemble, and to address our government and ask for redress: "they" cannot make special rules to tell us that 4 or more cannot be on the public sidewalk at the same time, or that we have to leave a public sidewalk after 11:00pm, or that we need a permit to walk into a public building without disruption. Guess what? This is America, and if someone doesn't like that everyone has the same rights (includings Occupy, Muslims, blacks, and The People of Wal Mart in South Beach, Florida) too bad. Quote:
There are independent legal observers at every Occupy (NY even arrested a bunch of them and forbade them to watch, which got NY into a huge amt of trouble). There are lawyers advising the protesters. Constitutional rights have indeed been violated in some instances. That is exactly what the lawyers are fighting over in court: defending our rights and liberties. And they are winning so far. Check the court cases involving Occupy. If you don't stand up for your rights, you won't have any. Congress just this week passed a bill that allows you, an American citizen on American soil, to be detained indefinitely if you are suspected of being a terrorist. Have a cache of food for several months? A few guns? Better watch out! You'd better pray Obama doesn't sign it. Patriot Act ring a bell? You think those people being pepper sprayed in Oakland were being treated according to their rights? Hell no! They were NOT. The people in LA who were denied bail when they had the money in their hands? No - their Constitutional rights were violated. Were they allowed lawyers? No - their Constitutional rights were violated. And yes, the Lawyers Guild, and the ACLU, is providing tons of free legal service to the Occupy movement, due to the terrible rights abuses of many of the PD departments and the cities. This, the below, is when the LAPD first moved into Occupy LA. Notice the deliberate and determined destruction of private property - which the city denies (they didn't get all the videos out of there before they started, although they moved the press several blocks away - another Constitution issue that is going through the NYC courts now with OccupyWS and the NYC press) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qmtBFAk1864 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLNFb...eature=related Quote:
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That does not entitle the police to physically or mentally abuse them or treat them differently, or abuse their constitutional rights. I've worked with and known and cared about lots of cops, FBI agents, etc., and I have the greatest respect for law enforcement. But when they screw up, they have to be called on it.
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![]() How you cousin doing? How's Occupy NC (?) doing?
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