Typical of This Administration

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The Administration who claimed they were going to be the most transparent administration in history is once again showing that they are actually the most secretive and high-handed administration in history. Knowing how they operate, this story isn't even that shocking:

Medical staff warned: Keep your mouths shut about illegal immigrants or face arrest

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...r-face-arrest/

Unless you can find a confirming link from salon, huffy, dailykos or slate this can't be true ! Seriously there must be a blog somewhere that you can link that confirms this story - blogs only speak the truth

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Unless you can find a confirming link from salon, huffy, dailykos or slate this can't be true ! Seriously there must be a blog somewhere that you can link that confirms this story - blogs only speak the truth

I don't think people are too pleased with what's going on. Look what happened today is San Diego.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...rant-protests/

[GenuineRisk]

There's actually been a lot of coverage of this humanitarian crisis:
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news...en-5485132.php

And Rachel Maddow did a segment on it a week or so ago.

But typical FOX- the actual story is kids fleeing from nations so torn by poverty and violence that their parents are trying to save their children's lives by sending them away, but for FOX it's EWWW SCABIES!

Jesus wept.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

There's actually been a lot of coverage of this humanitarian crisis:
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news...en-5485132.php

And Rachel Maddow did a segment on it a week or so ago.

But typical FOX- the actual story is kids fleeing from nations so torn by poverty and violence that their parents are trying to save their children's lives by sending them away, but for FOX it's EWWW SCABIES!

Jesus wept.

The reason that the parents are sending their kids here is not because of the poverty and violence. There has always been poverty and violence in those countries. Yet in 2012, it was estimated that 6,500 of these underage immigrants came here. This year the number is over 90,000. It has nothing to do with the poverty or violence. It has to do with their belief that the policy of this Administration is "catch and release". Obama is now starting to speak out publicly saying people should not send their kids here because we are going to send them back. I'm glad he's finally speaking out. But what he's saying is not totally true. They are going to send some back but they are going to let others stay.

I agree with you that our country is a better place to live than countries that are poor and have a lot of violence. But what do you think we should do? Do you think we should just open our borders and let anyone in? I'm just as much of a humanitarian as you are but I'm certainly not in favor of an open border.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The reason that the parents are sending their kids here is not because of the poverty and violence. There has always been poverty and violence in those countries. Yet in 2012, it was estimated that 6,500 of these underage immigrants came here. This year the number is over 90,000. It has nothing to do with the poverty or violence. It has to do with their belief that the policy of this Administration is "catch and release". Obama is now starting to speak out publicly saying people should not send their kids here because we are going to send them back. I'm glad he's finally speaking out. But what he's saying is not totally true. They are going to send some back but they are going to let others stay.

I agree with you that our country is a better place to live than countries that are poor and have a lot of violence. But what do you think we should do? Do you think we should just open our borders and let anyone in? I'm just as much of a humanitarian as you are but I'm certainly not in favor of an open border.

Rupert, the violence in Mexico and Central America has escalated the past few years as drug cartels destabilize the nations in that area. It's torn Mexico to shreds and now it's moving into Central America. Things are very, very bad there. Sixty thousand have died in drug-related violence since 2006 in Mexico alone (and that's a lowball estimate). On Monday, 22 traffickers and soldiers died in a single firefight. It's hardly surprising parents are trying to get their kids the hell out of there by sending them to relatives in safer countries.

The state Mexico is in is largely our fault; we have created this situation with our War on Drugs policies. In addition, the US has a history of turning a blind eye to drug trafficking, and even aiding it, if the factions doing it are serving our own interests- that's been going at least since the Reagan Presidency (remember the Nicaraguan Contras and the CIA?) and for all we know, longer. The US role in creating the situation in Mexico cannot be overstated.

So, where young children are concerned, yeah, I have a bit of a "we broke it; we bought it" opinion.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, the violence in Mexico and Central America has escalated the past few years as drug cartels destabilize the nations in that area. It's torn Mexico to shreds and now it's moving into Central America. Things are very, very bad there. Sixty thousand have died in drug-related violence since 2006 in Mexico alone (and that's a lowball estimate). On Monday, 22 traffickers and soldiers died in a single firefight. It's hardly surprising parents are trying to get their kids the hell out of there by sending them to relatives in safer countries.

The state Mexico is in is largely our fault; we have created this situation with our War on Drugs policies. In addition, the US has a history of turning a blind eye to drug trafficking, and even aiding it, if the factions doing it are serving our own interests- that's been going at least since the Reagan Presidency (remember the Nicaraguan Contras and the CIA?) and for all we know, longer. The US role in creating the situation in Mexico cannot be overstated.

So, where young children are concerned, yeah, I have a bit of a "we broke it; we bought it" opinion.

You probably won't like the website but this article talks about what is actually going on. By the way, the White House finally admitted that rumors of free entry are one of the things causing this whole mess.

According to White House Director of Domestic Policy Cecilia Munoz, "Part of what the Vice President’s effort and the administration’s effort overall is to make sure people have accurate information and that we push back on the misinformation that’s being spread and that’s contributing to this problem,” she said.

The White House elaborated in a “Fact Sheet” distributed Friday that specifically, Biden “will reiterate that unaccompanied children and adults arriving with their children are not eligible to benefit from the passage of immigration reform legislation or from the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) process.”

I can't remember who is responsible for DACA. Maybe you can tell me. Hint: Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) is a memorandum authored by the Obama administration on June 15, 2012. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with all these kids coming here. LOL. About 6,500 kids came here in 2012. This year that number is 90,000. Just a coincidence I'm sure. I'm sure DACA has nothing to do with it.

http://humanevents.com/2014/06/23/wh...grant-tsunami/

[Rupert Pupkin]

Most of these kids are here to stay. They are actually going to release almost all of them. Very few will be deported. They don't have the resources to continue housing them, so they are releasing them to the custody of any possible relatives or in some cases just to families that will take them. For example, if the kid says his only relative is an aunt in Tuscon, they will put him on a bus to Tuscon. That is after he is processed. The only stipulation of the release is that they will report to ICE in 3-4 weeks. What is going to compel the kids to report to ICE? I'll bet that 90% of these kids never report to ICE. What is the government going to do? If the kids don't report to ICE within a month, is the government going to track all these kids down?

What kind of policy is this? This is insane. The President and Congress are totally worthless. They should pass emergency laws immediately to make sure any future underage immigrants are deported immediately. That is the only way kids from Central America will stop coming. As long as they know that this "catch and release" program exists, they will continue to come here. Not only are they estimating over 90,000 of these kids coming this year. They are estimating 140,000 for next year.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can't remember who is responsible for DACA. Maybe you can tell me. Hint: Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) is a memorandum authored by the Obama administration on June 15, 2012. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with all these kids coming here. LOL. About 6,500 kids came here in 2012. This year that number is 90,000. Just a coincidence I'm sure. I'm sure DACA has nothing to do with it.

http://humanevents.com/2014/06/23/wh...grant-tsunami/

If DACA is the thing I think it is (I'm sorry I'm guessing; I'm just back from seeing the doctor because I've been sick a week now and my google strength is not at full), it was established because of concerns that kids coming here from Central America and immediately getting turned back would end up victims of child trafficking before they got back home. Now that there is a deluge of kids coming in, the US has to do something else.

I don't think you can blame the WH for the rumors. As Mark Twain, or Winston Churchill, or somebody, said, a lie gets halfway around the world while the truth is still pulling on its pants.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

There's actually been a lot of coverage of this humanitarian crisis:
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news...en-5485132.php

And Rachel Maddow did a segment on it a week or so ago.

But typical FOX- the actual story is kids fleeing from nations so torn by poverty and violence that their parents are trying to save their children's lives by sending them away, but for FOX it's EWWW SCABIES!

Jesus wept.

I think your "Jesus wept" comment is pretty absurd. There is no evidence that any of these kids were in any type of life and death danger back in their countries. Sure those countries are far more dangerous than the US but so are hundreds of other countries across the world. Do you think the US should take in all the children of the world who live in fairly dangerous countries?

When I hear there is genocide going on somewhere, I'm in favor of us helping any way we can. And when we hear children in Africa are dying of diseases that can be cured with medication, I am in favor of sending medication there. I don't mind paying for it.

But I don't think the US should take in any child who wants to come here that lives in a fairly dangerous country. By the way, there are far more dangerous countries in the world than most of the countries in Central America. Countries like Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, etc are far more dangerous. Some of the countries in Central America were really dangerous back in the 1970s and 1980s when they were having civil wars there, but they're not that bad now, not compared to other places.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think your "Jesus wept" comment is pretty absurd. There is no evidence that any of these kids were in any type of life and death danger back in their countries. Sure those countries are far more dangerous than the US but so are hundreds of other countries across the world. Do you think the US should take in all the children of the world who live in fairly dangerous countries?

When I hear there is genocide going on somewhere, I'm in favor of us helping any way we can. And when we hear children in Africa are dying of diseases that can be cured with medication, I am in favor of sending medication there. I don't mind paying for it.

But I don't think the US should take in any child who wants to come here that lives in a fairly dangerous country. By the way, there are far more dangerous countries in the world than most of the countries in Central America. Countries like Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, etc are far more dangerous. Some of the countries in Central America were really dangerous back in the 1970s and 1980s when they were having civil wars there, but they're not that bad now, not compared to other places.

Okay. Here:

How Mexico's Drug Cartels Recruit Child Soldiers as Young as 11:
http://www.wired.com/2013/03/mexico-child-soldiers/

Mexican Drug Cartels Targeting and Killing Children
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b9C_story.html

Mexico's Drug War is Changing Children
http://www.npr.org/2012/11/27/166027...ging-childhood

Mexican and Central American children are coming here because we're the closest relatively stable nation. It has nothing to do with the USA being special. If they were closer to Europe, they'd be going to Western Europe.

If you don't think things have gotten much, much worse in Mexico and Central America over the past few years, you haven't been paying attention. Well, except for the Honduras, which I think has had one of the highest murder rates in the world since the 1990s.

Okay, I did google that to be sure- here are the nations with the highest homicide rates, according to the UN:

COUNTRIES
Honduras: 90.4 (per 100,000)
Venezuela: 53.7
Belize: 44.7
El Salvador: 41.2
Guatemala: 39.9
Jamaica: 39.3
Swaziland: 33.8
Saint Kitts and Nevis: 33.6
South Africa: 31.0
Colombia: 30.8

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Okay. Here:

How Mexico's Drug Cartels Recruit Child Soldiers as Young as 11:
http://www.wired.com/2013/03/mexico-child-soldiers/

Mexican Drug Cartels Targeting and Killing Children
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b9C_story.html

Mexico's Drug War is Changing Children
http://www.npr.org/2012/11/27/166027...ging-childhood

Mexican and Central American children are coming here because we're the closest relatively stable nation. It has nothing to do with the USA being special. If they were closer to Europe, they'd be going to Western Europe.

If you don't think things have gotten much, much worse in Mexico and Central America over the past few years, you haven't been paying attention. Well, except for the Honduras, which I think has had one of the highest murder rates in the world since the 1990s.

Okay, I did google that to be sure- here are the nations with the highest homicide rates, according to the UN:

COUNTRIES
Honduras: 90.4 (per 100,000)
Venezuela: 53.7
Belize: 44.7
El Salvador: 41.2
Guatemala: 39.9
Jamaica: 39.3
Swaziland: 33.8
Saint Kitts and Nevis: 33.6
South Africa: 31.0
Colombia: 30.8

I was talking about Central America, not Mexico. On the lists I checked of the most dangerous countries in the world, there weren't any countries in Central America on there. There was a country in South America on the list. Brazil was on the list. Brazil has one of the highest murder rates in the world. Brazil has had 1 million people murdered in the last 30 years.

Even in Mexico, one of your articles said that 1,180 kids under 18 were murdered in 2009. In the US in 2009 there were 1400 kids under 18 that were murdered. Our population is obviously bigger, so even though we have more kids murdered, the murder rate is still lower here.

Edit: I actually just did another search and the list they had at Huffington did show a few countries in Central America in the top 10.