Obama - "I will not apologize for the Bergdahl swap"

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by bigrun

..Post of the year award...

.....NOT!!

I have a disdain for all politicians, but the politics of this president suggests his next move may be to send the troops after........AMERICANS. And not referring to rescuing POWs either.

I'm not sure how kowtowing to Islamic fundamentalist, bootlicking American killers, and bargaining with terrorists benefits Americans----the people who as an elected official he has sworn to serve and protect the interests of.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

.....NOT!!

I have a disdain for all politicians, but the politics of this president suggests his next move may be to send the troops after........AMERICANS. And not referring to rescuing POWs either.

I'm not sure how kowtowing to Islamic fundamentalist, bootlicking American killers, and bargaining with terrorists benefits Americans----the people who as an elected official he has sworn to serve and protect the interests of.

Bullcrap...let's play whatif...Obama turns down secret deal with Taliban for the release of an American soldier in exchange for 5 taliban captives at Gitmo citing price too high!..word gets out -it always does- do I need to tell you the reaction from the Fox talking out of their asz heads..or the total outrage from the rightwing nuts...OBAMA LEFT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IN THE BATTLEFIELD...OUTRAGEOUS...IMPEACH HIS ASZ..
Let the full story play out and if he is a deserter throw his asz in the brig for life...if he's whacky and needs treatment give it to him..just don't sent him to the VA...and we'll let the drones take out those taliban guys..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by bigrun

...and we'll let the drones take out those taliban guys..

Respectfully... will he be doing anything about ISIS?

Will he be doing anything about anything?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Respectfully... will he be doing anything about ISIS?

Will he be doing anything about anything?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

With respect also I offer this short comment.
Well we moved the aircraft carrier USS H. W. BUSH and two battle ships to the Persian Gulf..Iran has has offered help..Iran has majority of Shiites...same as Iraq...Those photos are sickening but stories like that are part of the list of reasons Bush2 used to invade a sovereign country - Iraq-..If Obama invades Iraq i will be first in line screaming impeach his asz...and don't forget WHO started this shiit...

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by bigrun

With respect also I offer this short comment.
Well we moved the aircraft carrier USS H. W. BUSH and two battle ships to the Persian Gulf..Iran has has offered help..Iran has majority of Shiites...same as Iraq...Those photos are sickening but stories like that are part of the list of reasons Bush2 used to invade a sovereign country - Iraq-..If Obama invades Iraq i will be first in line screaming impeach his asz...and don't forget WHO started this shiit...

My friend I am no hawk and am not suggesting boots on the ground. I am wondering, though, why our President seems to have a serious problem with leadership and decision making.

I am all for air strikes in this instance, for the record.

The brutality these monsters display is frightening and I find it outrageous that days pass by while the President ponders and we see pictures of living, breathing people in colorful shirts one minute and piles of dead bodies the next and still... he is thinking?

I mean come on, can he not make a decision ever?

Either help them or don't but for the love of God make a choice and if action needs to be taken do it and do it now.

It's only going to get worse and I'm feeling like we have no clue how bad worse actually is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

My friend I am no hawk and am not suggesting boots on the ground. I am wondering, though, why our President seems to have a serious problem with leadership and decision making.

I am all for air strikes in this instance, for the record.

The brutality these monsters display is frightening and I find it outrageous that days pass by while the President ponders and we see pictures of living, breathing people in colorful shirts one minute and piles of dead bodies the next and still... he is thinking?

I mean come on, can he not make a decision ever?

Either help them or don't but for the love of God make a choice and if action needs to be taken do it and do it now.

It's only going to get worse and I'm feeling like we have no clue how bad worse actually is.

my oldest and i were discussing presidents yesterday.

when was the last good one? ike?

anyone who voted for obama has to be wondering if there's a return policy, he's been one disappointment after another.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world..._a_common.html


we invaded iraq years ago, and have pretty much caused the upheavals in that entire region, destabilizing much of the area.

now what?

after ww1, we didn't get involved in another conflict til ww2. we've pretty much been in one conflict after another since then. why? why did our foreign policy change after ww2, and become the huge mess it's been ever since?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my oldest and i were discussing presidents yesterday.

when was the last good one? ike?

anyone who voted for obama has to be wondering if there's a return policy, he's been one disappointment after another.

I respectfully disagree; he's governed about how anyone who follows politics closely would have expected him to govern, and perhaps a bit more successfully, especially in light of how dysfunctional Congress has become. The big thing about Obama is he doesn't knee-jerk react very often; he usually takes time before making a decision. This is very UnAmerican, as we prefer our politicians to leap up and make snap decisions, preferably before all the facts are in, and if the facts don't match what they want to do, to make them up (see: Iraq, 2003).

I'm sorry some here are angry that I brought up Iraq, but those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, or rather, the kids who signed up to serve their country are doomed because the rich and powerful are never held liable for anything. Charles Pierce has a very, very powerful op-ed in Esquire; I recommend it:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...At_The_Present

And it's just not correct to claim that people were ripping Bush and Iraq the way they now shred Obama over Syria and Iraq, Phase 2. Ashely Banleigh tried to tell the truth and her career took a nosedive that she wouldn't have recovered from had she not agreed to start playing the game. The NYTimes played the game. People who questioned the invasion were accused of being terrorist supporters. I remember. And now the attitude is, "Well, that's in the past, what is the President doing NOW" but the NOW is because of this past.

Worst f*cking decision ever made by a US President was Ford pardoning Nixon. From then on, it was very clear that Presidents were above the law (unless they lied about blow jobs, because SEX), and, 30 years later that decision bears fruit in the deaths of thousands of enlisted in service to a President's and Vice President's egos, who will die old men in their beds, with all their limbs still attached to their bodies.

As for Ike, I had a Big Book of Jokes and Riddles as a child and I still remember the one in it about the "Eisenhower Doll: Wind it up and it does nothing for eight years." How Presidents are remembered right after their Presidency and how they are remembered 50 years later often have no relation to each other.

I'm going to state, for the record, that history will look back on Obama's presidency with relatively approving eyes, and not because six years after he was out of office, a well-funded bunch of commentators and pundits will make a fervent effort to rewrite his legacy, as was done with Ronald Reagan (I am also old enough to remember Reagan, and Iran Contra shaped my view of government like nothing else). Obama is not perfect, and he has made some decisions I vehemently, vehemently disagree with (signing Congress's law that protesters are not permitted in areas where Secret Service have been assigned being a big one), but he's been the best in my lifetime. Low bar, to be sure, looking at who came before, but there it is.

Feel free to come back in 100 years and tell me I was wrong, but, as C Plus Augustus once said, when asked if he thought about how he'd be viewed in 100 years, in 100 years we'll all be dead, anyway.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

With respect also I offer this short comment.
Well we moved the aircraft carrier USS H. W. BUSH and two battle ships to the Persian Gulf..Iran has has offered help..Iran has majority of Shiites...same as Iraq...Those photos are sickening but stories like that are part of the list of reasons Bush2 used to invade a sovereign country - Iraq-..If Obama invades Iraq i will be first in line screaming impeach his asz...and don't forget WHO started this shiit...

i don't think iraq asked bush to invade, but they are asking for our help vs isis.

i really wish at this point that a time machine existed, so we could go back to that time toward the end of ww2 when all the borders were being drawn and land being given in the middle east.
but, hey, at least all the fighting is now taking place there instead of europe, right?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

.....NOT!!

I have a disdain for all politicians, but the politics of this president suggests his next move may be to send the troops after........AMERICANS. And not referring to rescuing POWs either.

I'm not sure how kowtowing to Islamic fundamentalist, bootlicking American killers, and bargaining with terrorists benefits Americans----the people who as an elected official he has sworn to serve and protect the interests of.

Hey at least the released terrorists will have a safe place to go - Iraq !

http://time.com/2859454/iraq-tikrit-isis-baghdad-mosul/

[jms62]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Hey at least the released terrorists will have a safe place to go - Iraq !

http://time.com/2859454/iraq-tikrit-isis-baghdad-mosul/

Now that was a Trillion dollars well spent. Mission accomplished.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by jms62

Now that was a Trillion dollars well spent. Mission accomplished.

I thought dumya cleaned up Iraq..not so cleaned it up for the enemy

[jms62]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I thought dumya cleaned up Iraq..not so cleaned it up for the enemy

The only cleaning done in Iraq was cleaning out taxpayers pockets. Both parties are at fault.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Hey at least the released terrorists will have a safe place to go - Iraq !

http://time.com/2859454/iraq-tikrit-isis-baghdad-mosul/

It would be awesome to safely vacay in Qatar and Iraq. I would even kinda fit in. (I'm half Lebanese) I would just need to learn arabic and make sure no one knew I was American.

Jim is right, party politics aren't going to solve this. Having any regard for what the spin machines say or do wont either. Someone is going to have do something DECISIVE for a change and fix this. Obama said he was going to fix this, and here we are 6 years later and all this administration is doing is helping the proliferation of the enemy of our peace. The previous administrations money motives fostered what should be an inexcuseable relationship with Saudi Arabia and Dubai. In this great liberal Obama era "TOLERANCE" is what is in style right now. I guess that means tolerance of terrorist as well.

[Danzig]

Every war we have ever fought, we have had prisoner exchanges. This is probably no different.
It kills me that some necons have sand in their privates over this.
This playing of politics is so far beyond old its absolutely ridiculous.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Every war we have ever fought, we have had prisoner exchanges. This is probably no different.
It kills me that some necons have sand in their privates over this.
This playing of politics is so far beyond old its absolutely ridiculous.

I'll trade you Baltic Ave for Boardwalk

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I'll trade you Baltic Ave for Boardwalk

Josef Goebbels, Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele and Heinrich Himmler for Private Forest Gump.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Josef Goebbels, Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele and Heinrich Himmler for Private Forest Gump.

Horrible trade indeed HOWEVER we ALL know if it wasn't made you would be the first person to post how Obama failed the military by leaving a member behind. Win / Win for you Dell.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

It would be awesome to safely vacay in Qatar and Iraq. I would even kinda fit in. (I'm half Lebanese) I would just need to learn arabic and make sure no one knew I was American.

Jim is right, party politics aren't going to solve this. Having any regard for what the spin machines say or do wont either. Someone is going to have do something DECISIVE for a change and fix this. Obama said he was going to fix this, and here we are 6 years later and all this administration is doing is helping the proliferation of the enemy of our peace. The previous administrations money motives fostered what should be an inexcuseable relationship with Saudi Arabia and Dubai. In this great liberal Obama era "TOLERANCE" is what is in style right now. I guess that means tolerance of terrorist as well.

I would give you post of the year but I did realize you were 1/2 Lebanese so that just can't happen .

RoR...I know you are a good dude ! just bustin ! Hell even Morty likes you.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I would give you post of the year but I did realize you were 1/2 Lebanese so that just can't happen .

RoR...I know you are a good dude ! just bustin ! Hell even Morty likes you.

Thanks Kev. I get DQed again out of a win!!!!! WTF!!!!