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Old 05-10-2014, 11:15 PM
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Gee thanks for the info cause I have never paid attention to HK in my life.

Zaidan hasn't won since Feb. of 2012, California Memory, who is one of my favorite horses ever, hasn't even run since last November.

Poor Real Specialist had his good season with 6 wins back in 2012 (no wins since). Should I go on? Helene Spirit and Dan Excel (with his total 2 wins?)? Come on...

These aren't exactly the days of the old guard. This isn't Bullsih Luck / Silent Witness / Vengeance of Rain / Sacred Kingdom time.

I don't need a lecture on Able Friend and yes I know about Designs on Rome but I would argue that the field wasn't really very strong considering.

Wise Dan fights back. He knows where that finish line is. I don't know how many races he has left but I don't think anyone... good horse or flavor of the month... will be beating him period.
If anyone else on here knew anything about the horses we were talking about, that response could be nominated for the most asinine of the year.

Needless to say (well, at least I thought it was), opining on the quality of a race while citing the 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th placers is never a good spot to start. The field wasn't strong because of who Variety Club beat by anywhere from 11.25 to 30 lengths?

Keep up with that one...and you are welcome in the parimutuel pools anytime.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:38 PM
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Byk, when are you going to implement likely buttons for good posts?
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:16 AM
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If anyone else on here knew anything about the horses we were talking about, that response could be nominated for the most asinine of the year.

Needless to say (well, at least I thought it was), opining on the quality of a race while citing the 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th placers is never a good spot to start. The field wasn't strong because of who Variety Club beat by anywhere from 11.25 to 30 lengths?

Keep up with that one...and you are welcome in the parimutuel pools anytime.
I didn't mention them because of where they finished though... I mentioned them because they're some of the top rated horses in hk, aren't they? Some of those poor old guys whose best days were so long ago?

Doesn't it show how meaningless all of these alleged rankings are?

HKJC Top 50 Horses (as of 8/5/2014)
Rating Name Brand No Trainer

129 AKEED MOFEED P125 R Gibson
129 AMBITIOUS DRAGON K399 A T Millard
129 DESIGNS ON ROME P270 J Moore
129 MILITARY ATTACK N175 J Moore
127 GLORIOUS DAYS M353 J Size
126 CALIFORNIA MEMORY L135 A S Cruz
126 GOLD-FUN P045 R Gibson
125 DOMINANT N169 J Moore
124 ABLE FRIEND P303 J Moore
124 BLAZING SPEED P192 A S Cruz
124 DAN EXCEL N195 J Moore
124 LUCKY NINE L259 C Fownes
123 STERLING CITY N152 J Moore
122 AMBER SKY N241 P F Yiu
121 CHARLES THE GREAT N171 J Moore
121 ENDOWING N371 J Size
121 JOY AND FUN H014 D Cruz
121 RICH TAPESTRY N011 C W Chang
120 EAGLE REGIMENT M011 K L Man
120 HELENE SPIRIT M310 C Fownes
118 FLAGSHIP SHINE P104 J Moore
118 FREDERICK ENGELS N187 J Moore
118 PACKING WHIZ N120 C Fownes
117 REAL SPECIALIST M143 J Size
115 DIBAYANI S120 C W Chang
113 BULLISH CHAMPION M198 A S Cruz
112 FAY FAY L284 J Size
112 GO BABY GO N033 C H Yip
112 SAME WORLD N098 J Moore
110 BULLISH FRIEND N333 A S Cruz
110 RAINBOW CHIC P118 C Fownes
109 DIVINE TEN P391 Y S Tsui
108 BUBBLE CHIC N369 D J Hall
107 SECRET SHAM P174 J Moore
107 WILLIE CAZALS N119 A S Cruz
105 AEROVELOCITY P069 P O'Sullivan
105 STRAIGHT GOLD N089 J Moore
105 ZAIDAN M234 A S Cruz

I just don't think it took a special horse for that win... that was the point I was trying to make.

No little number needed before of after Wise Dan's name thank you. I think he will beat whoever he runs against period.

Oh... Indian Charlie loved your post incase you wondered.

I'd give you a little gold star if I could.

Or a thobe or a gutra or something.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:40 AM
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Goodness, are you not making the point for me? What more would I need to say?

Ignore the layoff for California Memory for a moment...he beats Able Friend, Glorious Days (last year's int'l HK Mile winner), and Gold-Fun. All in-form horses...and he did it by 4L, 5.25L, and 6L, respectively. It was a TROUNCING, and Variety Club became the only non-HK-based horse to win the race.

Specific to the Longines rankings, and ONLY the Longines rankings, these are ratings for one-off performances, not an analysis of a sustained campaign. In that race, winning by four over some of the best in HK, along with a G1 winner from the UK/France/Australia - this TROUNCING was deserving of the rating it was given by the international panel assembled.

That rating does not speak to what his future holds, or anything else. But on it's own, one-race merit, it was deserved.
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Old 05-18-2014, 08:19 AM
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How you feeling about Dan Excel, now, MMSC. Wins Singapore Airlines International Cup, defeating Military Attack...Variety Club just looks better and better.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:27 AM
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How you feeling about Dan Excel, now, MMSC. Wins Singapore Airlines International Cup, defeating Military Attack...Variety Club just looks better and better.
Yes I was totally wrong about poor old Dan Excel, you were right, good for you cause you know what Mr. Cummings I am SOOOOOOOOOOO happy about Lucky Nine that I love the world and you and your silly overrated horse (kidding!).

Really though I am just very happy and relieved cause I didn't think he should have made the trip over so yes... totally wrong on a few counts.

I still do think these rankings are silly and that - for example - It's a Dundeel is too low and Variety Club too high but to hell with it.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:39 AM
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I am happy because Nathans brother Tommy rode him and how meaningful it was for him to win.

http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/art...ules-singapore
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