Showing Up Wins Hollywood Derby

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I've never posted on any other board besides this one and the ESPN one... BUT, I was kidding around with you. (As I stated.)

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

George you are tiresome, and the head troll in charge of those college kids.

You've posted more disinformation about everything than anyone I can imagine.
You were the one who told us that Showing Up would run in the million dollar race that he passed.
You also told us condescendingly that Bernadini would win the BCC in record time and stand for 250 grand. Lots of folks believed that and went out and started stockpiling AP Indy sons to stand at studs in all states looking to capitalize on the bandwagon effect that Bern was supposed to have.
Now they get to suffer from diminished bandwagon effect and are holding sires they overpaid for that they can't sell shares in. I know of a few.
The real wiseguys not only didn't bet Bern, but also didn't go buying stallions or shares in stallions by Ap Indy at inflated prices pre Breeders Cup.
So if you wanna talk like a big man about trying to play mighty lawyer and getting down on some mistaken information, perhaps you should look at the misinformation that YOU SPOUTED about things and look in the mirror.

Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not really a big deal.
Its kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. You can tie anyone working in Hollywood to Kevin Bacon by using 6 degrees of association.
Just about anyone here in the business knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.
I don't really get the point of your posts, or of grooming these college kids to act like miscreants.
Here we have a thread in which the excitement and praise for Showing Up is flowing smoothly.
The natural thing to do after a big win at the end of the racing year is to specualte on what the future will bring for him or her.
Its fun to do that these days because so many horses go off to stud and we don't get a chance to see them again. BTW speculating on what this horse may do at age 4 is not really a big deal.
I also bet SU in his debut because my clocker said he was working incredibly, he wasn't exactly a secret and his Derby was a monstous effort.
I don't care who you know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.
BTW and I aren't friends, but I've known him a long time and can promise you that either he or I could shred the knowledge of ANYONE you know in the business with ease.
Its apparent you post with an agenda, and its kinda lame. You act as a cheerleader for people that someone you know, knows. You wanna show up those who actually know whats going on in the business by tossing about "what you heard".
In summation, your act is lame.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

George you are tiresome, and the head troll in charge of those college kids.

You've posted more disinformation about everything than anyone I can imagine.
You were the one who told us that Showing Up would run in the million dollar race that he passed.
You also told us condescendingly that Bernadini would win the BCC in record time and stand for 250 grand. Lots of folks believed that and went out and started stockpiling AP Indy sons to stand at studs in all states looking to capitalize on the bandwagon effect that Bern was supposed to have.
Now they get to suffer from diminished bandwagon effect and are holding sires they overpaid for that they can't sell shares in. I know of a few.
The real wiseguys not only didn't bet Bern, but also didn't go buying stallions or shares in stallions by Ap Indy at inflated prices pre Breeders Cup.
So if you wanna talk like a big man about trying to play mighty lawyer and getting down on some mistaken information, perhaps you should look at the misinformation that YOU SPOUTED about things and look in the mirror.

Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not really a big deal.
Its kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. You can tie anyone working in Hollywood to Kevin Bacon by using 6 degrees of association.
Just about anyone here in the business knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.
I don't really get the point of your posts, or of grooming these college kids to act like miscreants.
Here we have a thread in which the excitement and praise for Showing Up is flowing smoothly.
The natural thing to do after a big win at the end of the racing year is to specualte on what the future will bring for him or her.
Its fun to do that these days because so many horses go off to stud and we don't get a chance to see them again. BTW speculating on what this horse may do at age 4 is not really a big deal.
I also bet SU in his debut because my clocker said he was working incredibly, he wasn't exactly a secret and his Derby was a monstous effort.
I don't care who you know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.
BTW and I aren't friends, but I've known him a long time and can promise you that either he or I could shred the knowledge of ANYONE you know in the business with ease.
Its apparent you post with an agenda, and its kinda lame. You act as a cheerleader for people that someone you know, knows. You wanna show up those who actually know whats going on in the business by tossing about "what you heard".
In summation, your act is lame.

The college kids are someone who knows someone who knows someone. I am the someone. You are not very bright are you? My family connections to the owners are direct. Ask your buddy Mark Reid, considering you claim to know who I am. Do you really even know Mark Reid? I will be sure to ask him. Have you even been to Walnut Green or do you just know him from talking on the phone? LOL.

Stick to gambling and buying horses off the track. Nobody, and I mean nobody was stockpiling AP Indy sons to capitalize on Bernardini. You can't really be that stupid. I guess AP Indy didn't have a reputation on his on. LOL.

Bernardini is actually going to have a very small book, very selective, and their own broodmares are going to be half of it.

Please let me know the AP Indy sons that were being stockpiled. If you know anything about the business of breeding horses, which you obviously don't, you would not go stockpiling sons of AP Indy because of a Bernardini. If anything, it would decrease the number of AP Indy sons. With AP Indy, Mineshaft, Bernardini, Malibu Moon, Aptitude, Pulpit, Golden Missile, we really don't need many more. Heck, we have AP Warrior going to Stonewall too. Maybe Suave.

Please give me the names of the AP Indy's being bought up. I would love to know them. LOL.

You really can't be this stupid.

Maybe you could tell your buddy Dutrow that Kip Deville is not a 10f horse, with or without the juice.

Weren't you the one saying how great Kip Deville was and how he would destroy Showing Up. Do I need to be a child and pull up the post like you? I would but unlike you I have a life and things to do.

WHERE WERE YOU AT BELMONT THAT DAY YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP TO MEET?

Anytime you are down in Hollywood or Boynton Beach, you let me know, you call me a troll to my face. Do you get out of Upstate NY or do you need to save your money for your next great purchase for somebody else. LOL.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The college kids are someone who knows someone who knows someone. I am the someone. You are not very bright are you? My family connections to the owners are direct. Ask your buddy Mark Reid, considering you claim to know who I am. Do you really even know Mark Reid? I will be sure to ask him. Have you even been to Walnut Green or do you just know him from talking on the phone? LOL.

Stick to gambling and buying horses off the track. Nobody, and I mean nobody was stockpiling AP Indy sons to capitalize on Bernardini. You can't really be that stupid. I guess AP Indy didn't have a reputation on his on. LOL.

Bernardini is actually going to have a very small book, very selective, and their own broodmares are going to be half of it.

Please let me know the AP Indy sons that were being stockpiled. If you know anything about the business of breeding horses, which you obviously don't, you would not go stockpiling sons of AP Indy because of a Bernardini. If anything, it would decrease the number of AP Indy sons. With AP Indy, Mineshaft, Bernardini, Malibu Moon, Aptitude, Pulpit, Golden Missile, we really don't need many more. Heck, we have AP Warrior going to Stonewall too. Maybe Suave.

Please give me the names of the AP Indy's being bought up. I would love to know them. LOL.

You really can't be this stupid.

Maybe you could tell your buddy Dutrow that Kip Deville is not a 10f horse, with or without the juice.

Weren't you the one saying how great Kip Deville was and how he would destroy Showing Up. Do I need to be a child and pull up the post like you? I would but unlike you I have a life and things to do.

WHERE WERE YOU AT BELMONT THAT DAY YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP TO MEET?

Anytime you are down in Hollywood or Boynton Beach, you let me know, you call me a troll to my face. Do it in front of your buddy Mark Reid. I bet he doesn't even know who you are.

Keep making slanderous statements about Dutrow and juice, please.
Mark is a friend, and a dear one. I owe him much, hes been a tremendous mentor and you will never accomplsih what he has. I've never had a reason to go to Walnut Green, nor do I care to. You are a clown.
As far as the Ap Indy's bought at inflated prices for stud duty, AP Warrior and Suave are two.
In Ny they are currently trying to sell shares in a stallion named Anasheed who is by Ap Indy.
You don't know anywhere near as much as you even think you do.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Keep making slanderous statements about Dutrow and juice, please.
Mark is a friend, and a dear one. I owe him much, hes been a tremendous mentor and you will never accomplsih what he has. I've never had a reason to go to Walnut Green, nor do I care to. You are a clown.
As far as the Ap Indy's bought at inflated prices for stud duty, AP Warrior and Suave are two.
In Ny they are currently trying to sell shares in a stallion named Anasheed who is by Ap Indy.
You don't know anywhere near as much as you even think you do.

Fellow, you are a nobody. Nobody knows you. Stick to arguing with college kids and being a wannabe. When you can buy your own horse we will talk.

Start another rumor though and I will put you in your place again. Understand!

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Fellow, you are a nobody. Nobody knows you. Stick to arguing with college kids and being a wannabe. When you can buy your own horse we will talk.

Start another rumor though and I will put you in your place again. Understand!

Do me a favor, go and find this "rumor" I supposedly started.
You aren't gonna put anyone in their place.
And if you wanna play big bad lawyer, and accuse people of starting rumors, be my guest.
Nowhere in speech or in print did I ever start a rumor as you suggest. If I had I'm sure you would have done your level best to try and attack me.
Try it now, lets see who gets put in their place.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by oracle80

In Ny they are currently trying to sell shares in a stallion named Anasheed who is by Ap Indy.
You don't know anywhere near as much as you even think you do.

oh man, i totally forgot about anasheed. saw his first ones in chicago a few years back. wow, that brought back memories, thanks!

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

oh man, i totally forgot about anasheed. saw his first ones in chicago a few years back. wow, that brought back memories, thanks!

Yeah hes gonna stand in NY next year. I don't know the fee only that shares are being sold now.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Not to mention the fact that he ran in the Kentucky Derby AGAINST Barbaro.
This guys stories have more holes in them than swiss cheese.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not to mention the fact that he ran in the Kentucky Derby AGAINST Barbaro.
This guys stories have more holes in them than swiss cheese.

You are dumber than the other guy. You know nothing about Showing Up or Barbaro so just shut your mouth.

Do you want another lawsuit?

Now I see why Dickinson had to put a scare in you.

YOU JUST DON'T SHUT UP.
AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

You are dumber than the other guy. You know nothing about Showing Up or Barbaro so just shut your mouth.

Do you want another lawsuit?

Now I see why Dickinson had to put a scare in you.

YOU JUST DON'T SHUT UP.
AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I think you have the scare part mixed up.

And what exactly are you suing me for?
For saying he ran against Barbaro in the Derby?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think you have the scare part mixed up.

And what exactly are you suing me for?
For saying he ran against Barbaro in the Derby?

lol hey Oracle he scared you...

GW oracle was really peeing his pants

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?

Enough!

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?typ...9422&style=red

Eric Wing: Barclay, there was nothing wrong whatsoever with Showing Up dirt form, but he sure took to the grass in a big way in the million dollar Colonial Turf Cup. Do you think he prefers one surface to the other? Or is one of those rare animals that's equally adept on both surfaces?

Barclay Tagg: I think he's very adept on both surfaces, but I think he's a little more comfortable on grass. That's just my guess watching him on both surfaces. I think he's a little more comfortable on the grass. And I really made the switch because I thought Barbaro would go ahead and be able to do the Triple Crown, and I didn't need to have him chasing Barbaro around. So I thought I'd try another venue with him and see what he could do on the turf. He was bred for turf. And he looked like he had the kind of action you'd like to see on the turf. And when I tried him in a couple of work outs on it, he seemed to be superb on it, so that's what we did.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?

Enough!

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?typ...9422&style=red

Eric Wing: Barclay, there was nothing wrong whatsoever with Showing Up dirt form, but he sure took to the grass in a big way in the million dollar Colonial Turf Cup. Do you think he prefers one surface to the other? Or is one of those rare animals that's equally adept on both surfaces?

Barclay Tagg: I think he's very adept on both surfaces, but I think he's a little more comfortable on grass. That's just my guess watching him on both surfaces. I think he's a little more comfortable on the grass. And I really made the switch because I thought Barbaro would go ahead and be able to do the Triple Crown, and I didn't need to have him chasing Barbaro around. So I thought I'd try another venue with him and see what he could do on the turf. He was bred for turf. And he looked like he had the kind of action you'd like to see on the turf. And when I tried him in a couple of work outs on it, he seemed to be superb on it, so that's what we did.

And why exactly won't this site last long?

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And why exactly won't this site last long?

The owner of the site will be sued. Do you think he is going to deal with lawsuits because you idiots can't stop posting things without links or use copyrighted pictures?

Keep it up. Big Mouth.

If you use avatars or any pictures without permission, you are breaking the law. If you post nonsense, without links to stories, you are starting rumors and are opening the owner of the site to lawsuits.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The owner of the site will be sued. Do you think he is going to deal with lawsuits because you idiots can't stop posting things without links or use copyrighted pictures?

Keep it up. Big Mouth.

If you use avatars or any pictures without permission, you are breaking the law. If you post nonsense, without links to stories, you are starting rumors and are opening the owner of the site to lawsuits.

You mean like when you told us last week that NoBiz was going to the Delta Jackpot, Discreet Cat was not going to run in the Cigar mile, and they would NOT be racing on the main track at Aqueduct this past weekend?

Is that the kind of nonsense you are referencing?

Look, I admit, you're funny, and have been successful as an internet troll in getting at least a little reaction. But, honestly, nobody is even mad, they are just laughing at your silliness. I appreciate the humor, though, so thanks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The owner of the site will be sued. Do you think he is going to deal with lawsuits because you idiots can't stop posting things without links or use copyrighted pictures?

Keep it up. Big Mouth.

If you use avatars or any pictures without permission, you are breaking the law. If you post nonsense, without links to stories, you are starting rumors and are opening the owner of the site to lawsuits.

Confirmed....you are a moron. Watch out Byk, hide the extra BBq sauce.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The owner of the site will be sued. Do you think he is going to deal with lawsuits because you idiots can't stop posting things without links or use copyrighted pictures?

Keep it up. Big Mouth.

If you use avatars or any pictures without permission, you are breaking the law. If you post nonsense, without links to stories, you are starting rumors and are opening the owner of the site to lawsuits.

Well I took the pic myself of my avatar about an hour after he won the BCC at the barn in Lone Star. Can I sue myself?