Showing Up Wins Hollywood Derby

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Andy, I had to respond to this. Showing Up has tried a Grade 1 on the dirt... I know you meant next year before the Arlington Million, but I felt like giving you shiat.

If you're going to attempt to correct me at least do it coherently. I think it is pretty apparent that I was referring to his future when I said " never try him in a Grade 1 ". I am acutely aware that he ran in the Derby...in fact I could recite his entire pps in about 8 seconds off the top of my head. Perhaps you may remember that I was touting him in the Swale, from which he was scratched, on another board where I believe you posted.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If you're going to attempt to correct me at least do it coherently. I think it is pretty apparent that I was referring to his future when I said " never try him in a Grade 1 ". I am acutely aware that he ran in the Derby...in fact I could recite his entire pps in about 8 seconds off the top of my head. Perhaps you may remember that I was touting him in the Swale, from which he was scratched, on another board where I believe you posted.

I've never posted on any other board besides this one and the ESPN one... BUT, I was kidding around with you. (As I stated.)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I've never posted on any other board besides this one and the ESPN one... BUT, I was kidding around with you. (As I stated.)

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know you were kidding....but that still doesn't preclude you from being right. Believe me, I give enough material to mock me, you will just have to be more clever.

For some reason I thought you used to post on the old TT Forum. I gushed about Showing Up there after seeing his maiden win a few times. It's worth watching again.

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

George you are tiresome, and the head troll in charge of those college kids.

You've posted more disinformation about everything than anyone I can imagine.
You were the one who told us that Showing Up would run in the million dollar race that he passed.
You also told us condescendingly that Bernadini would win the BCC in record time and stand for 250 grand. Lots of folks believed that and went out and started stockpiling AP Indy sons to stand at studs in all states looking to capitalize on the bandwagon effect that Bern was supposed to have.
Now they get to suffer from diminished bandwagon effect and are holding sires they overpaid for that they can't sell shares in. I know of a few.
The real wiseguys not only didn't bet Bern, but also didn't go buying stallions or shares in stallions by Ap Indy at inflated prices pre Breeders Cup.
So if you wanna talk like a big man about trying to play mighty lawyer and getting down on some mistaken information, perhaps you should look at the misinformation that YOU SPOUTED about things and look in the mirror.

Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not really a big deal.
Its kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. You can tie anyone working in Hollywood to Kevin Bacon by using 6 degrees of association.
Just about anyone here in the business knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.
I don't really get the point of your posts, or of grooming these college kids to act like miscreants.
Here we have a thread in which the excitement and praise for Showing Up is flowing smoothly.
The natural thing to do after a big win at the end of the racing year is to specualte on what the future will bring for him or her.
Its fun to do that these days because so many horses go off to stud and we don't get a chance to see them again. BTW speculating on what this horse may do at age 4 is not really a big deal.
I also bet SU in his debut because my clocker said he was working incredibly, he wasn't exactly a secret and his Derby was a monstous effort.
I don't care who you know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.
BTW and I aren't friends, but I've known him a long time and can promise you that either he or I could shred the knowledge of ANYONE you know in the business with ease.
Its apparent you post with an agenda, and its kinda lame. You act as a cheerleader for people that someone you know, knows. You wanna show up those who actually know whats going on in the business by tossing about "what you heard".
In summation, your act is lame.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

George you are tiresome, and the head troll in charge of those college kids.

You've posted more disinformation about everything than anyone I can imagine.
You were the one who told us that Showing Up would run in the million dollar race that he passed.
You also told us condescendingly that Bernadini would win the BCC in record time and stand for 250 grand. Lots of folks believed that and went out and started stockpiling AP Indy sons to stand at studs in all states looking to capitalize on the bandwagon effect that Bern was supposed to have.
Now they get to suffer from diminished bandwagon effect and are holding sires they overpaid for that they can't sell shares in. I know of a few.
The real wiseguys not only didn't bet Bern, but also didn't go buying stallions or shares in stallions by Ap Indy at inflated prices pre Breeders Cup.
So if you wanna talk like a big man about trying to play mighty lawyer and getting down on some mistaken information, perhaps you should look at the misinformation that YOU SPOUTED about things and look in the mirror.

Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not really a big deal.
Its kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. You can tie anyone working in Hollywood to Kevin Bacon by using 6 degrees of association.
Just about anyone here in the business knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, etc.
I don't really get the point of your posts, or of grooming these college kids to act like miscreants.
Here we have a thread in which the excitement and praise for Showing Up is flowing smoothly.
The natural thing to do after a big win at the end of the racing year is to specualte on what the future will bring for him or her.
Its fun to do that these days because so many horses go off to stud and we don't get a chance to see them again. BTW speculating on what this horse may do at age 4 is not really a big deal.
I also bet SU in his debut because my clocker said he was working incredibly, he wasn't exactly a secret and his Derby was a monstous effort.
I don't care who you know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.
BTW and I aren't friends, but I've known him a long time and can promise you that either he or I could shred the knowledge of ANYONE you know in the business with ease.
Its apparent you post with an agenda, and its kinda lame. You act as a cheerleader for people that someone you know, knows. You wanna show up those who actually know whats going on in the business by tossing about "what you heard".
In summation, your act is lame.

The college kids are someone who knows someone who knows someone. I am the someone. You are not very bright are you? My family connections to the owners are direct. Ask your buddy Mark Reid, considering you claim to know who I am. Do you really even know Mark Reid? I will be sure to ask him. Have you even been to Walnut Green or do you just know him from talking on the phone? LOL.

Stick to gambling and buying horses off the track. Nobody, and I mean nobody was stockpiling AP Indy sons to capitalize on Bernardini. You can't really be that stupid. I guess AP Indy didn't have a reputation on his on. LOL.

Bernardini is actually going to have a very small book, very selective, and their own broodmares are going to be half of it.

Please let me know the AP Indy sons that were being stockpiled. If you know anything about the business of breeding horses, which you obviously don't, you would not go stockpiling sons of AP Indy because of a Bernardini. If anything, it would decrease the number of AP Indy sons. With AP Indy, Mineshaft, Bernardini, Malibu Moon, Aptitude, Pulpit, Golden Missile, we really don't need many more. Heck, we have AP Warrior going to Stonewall too. Maybe Suave.

Please give me the names of the AP Indy's being bought up. I would love to know them. LOL.

You really can't be this stupid.

Maybe you could tell your buddy Dutrow that Kip Deville is not a 10f horse, with or without the juice.

Weren't you the one saying how great Kip Deville was and how he would destroy Showing Up. Do I need to be a child and pull up the post like you? I would but unlike you I have a life and things to do.

WHERE WERE YOU AT BELMONT THAT DAY YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP TO MEET?

Anytime you are down in Hollywood or Boynton Beach, you let me know, you call me a troll to my face. Do you get out of Upstate NY or do you need to save your money for your next great purchase for somebody else. LOL.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The college kids are someone who knows someone who knows someone. I am the someone. You are not very bright are you? My family connections to the owners are direct. Ask your buddy Mark Reid, considering you claim to know who I am. Do you really even know Mark Reid? I will be sure to ask him. Have you even been to Walnut Green or do you just know him from talking on the phone? LOL.

Stick to gambling and buying horses off the track. Nobody, and I mean nobody was stockpiling AP Indy sons to capitalize on Bernardini. You can't really be that stupid. I guess AP Indy didn't have a reputation on his on. LOL.

Bernardini is actually going to have a very small book, very selective, and their own broodmares are going to be half of it.

Please let me know the AP Indy sons that were being stockpiled. If you know anything about the business of breeding horses, which you obviously don't, you would not go stockpiling sons of AP Indy because of a Bernardini. If anything, it would decrease the number of AP Indy sons. With AP Indy, Mineshaft, Bernardini, Malibu Moon, Aptitude, Pulpit, Golden Missile, we really don't need many more. Heck, we have AP Warrior going to Stonewall too. Maybe Suave.

Please give me the names of the AP Indy's being bought up. I would love to know them. LOL.

You really can't be this stupid.

Maybe you could tell your buddy Dutrow that Kip Deville is not a 10f horse, with or without the juice.

Weren't you the one saying how great Kip Deville was and how he would destroy Showing Up. Do I need to be a child and pull up the post like you? I would but unlike you I have a life and things to do.

WHERE WERE YOU AT BELMONT THAT DAY YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP TO MEET?

Anytime you are down in Hollywood or Boynton Beach, you let me know, you call me a troll to my face. Do it in front of your buddy Mark Reid. I bet he doesn't even know who you are.

Keep making slanderous statements about Dutrow and juice, please.
Mark is a friend, and a dear one. I owe him much, hes been a tremendous mentor and you will never accomplsih what he has. I've never had a reason to go to Walnut Green, nor do I care to. You are a clown.
As far as the Ap Indy's bought at inflated prices for stud duty, AP Warrior and Suave are two.
In Ny they are currently trying to sell shares in a stallion named Anasheed who is by Ap Indy.
You don't know anywhere near as much as you even think you do.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year when he broke his maiden?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro, and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his track record setting win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here. While he beat High Finance in his maiden, High Finance at the time was not really regarded like a Chatain.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Not to mention the fact that he ran in the Kentucky Derby AGAINST Barbaro.
This guys stories have more holes in them than swiss cheese.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not to mention the fact that he ran in the Kentucky Derby AGAINST Barbaro.
This guys stories have more holes in them than swiss cheese.

You are dumber than the other guy. You know nothing about Showing Up or Barbaro so just shut your mouth.

Do you want another lawsuit?

Now I see why Dickinson had to put a scare in you.

YOU JUST DON'T SHUT UP.
AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Showing Up was not moved to the grass to avoid Barbaro. Showing Up did not try the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. Barbaro broke down on May 20th. Showing Up's first grass race was at colonial on June 24th.

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?

Enough!

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?typ...9422&style=red

Eric Wing: Barclay, there was nothing wrong whatsoever with Showing Up dirt form, but he sure took to the grass in a big way in the million dollar Colonial Turf Cup. Do you think he prefers one surface to the other? Or is one of those rare animals that's equally adept on both surfaces?

Barclay Tagg: I think he's very adept on both surfaces, but I think he's a little more comfortable on grass. That's just my guess watching him on both surfaces. I think he's a little more comfortable on the grass. And I really made the switch because I thought Barbaro would go ahead and be able to do the Triple Crown, and I didn't need to have him chasing Barbaro around. So I thought I'd try another venue with him and see what he could do on the turf. He was bred for turf. And he looked like he had the kind of action you'd like to see on the turf. And when I tried him in a couple of work outs on it, he seemed to be superb on it, so that's what we did.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?

Enough!

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?typ...9422&style=red

Eric Wing: Barclay, there was nothing wrong whatsoever with Showing Up dirt form, but he sure took to the grass in a big way in the million dollar Colonial Turf Cup. Do you think he prefers one surface to the other? Or is one of those rare animals that's equally adept on both surfaces?

Barclay Tagg: I think he's very adept on both surfaces, but I think he's a little more comfortable on grass. That's just my guess watching him on both surfaces. I think he's a little more comfortable on the grass. And I really made the switch because I thought Barbaro would go ahead and be able to do the Triple Crown, and I didn't need to have him chasing Barbaro around. So I thought I'd try another venue with him and see what he could do on the turf. He was bred for turf. And he looked like he had the kind of action you'd like to see on the turf. And when I tried him in a couple of work outs on it, he seemed to be superb on it, so that's what we did.

And why exactly won't this site last long?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up.

Dude if you think that this or any other site about horseracing will be shut down because people dont provide links for stories is really funny. I am sure that Barclay Tagg does not give a damn what anyone, you or Oracle or anyone else says about him or his horse, where he is running and why. I think you are a blowhard but I dont have a link or story, it is only my opinion so sue me.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?
Enough!

Do you know how stupid you look continuously trying to bait people on this forum? Just go away if you don't care for it. You add nothing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Are you guys (you and this Oracle clown) just allowed to post nonsense that is factually wrong and use copyrighted pictures as avatars? This site is unreal. No links for stories. Nothing. Just rumors and garbage.

I have 19yr olds e-mailing me that you idiots can't stop posting nonsense.

Provide links about things or shut up. This site won't last very long if it keeps up. I personally know the situation, but I can provide links and facts.

Do you guys know how stupid you look posting nonsense over and over?

Enough!

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?typ...9422&style=red

Eric Wing: Barclay, there was nothing wrong whatsoever with Showing Up dirt form, but he sure took to the grass in a big way in the million dollar Colonial Turf Cup. Do you think he prefers one surface to the other? Or is one of those rare animals that's equally adept on both surfaces?

Barclay Tagg: I think he's very adept on both surfaces, but I think he's a little more comfortable on grass. That's just my guess watching him on both surfaces. I think he's a little more comfortable on the grass. And I really made the switch because I thought Barbaro would go ahead and be able to do the Triple Crown, and I didn't need to have him chasing Barbaro around. So I thought I'd try another venue with him and see what he could do on the turf. He was bred for turf. And he looked like he had the kind of action you'd like to see on the turf. And when I tried him in a couple of work outs on it, he seemed to be superb on it, so that's what we did.

Tagg may have worked the horse on the grass to see if he would like it while Barbaro was still around. But the horse did not run on the grass until a month after Barbaro broke down. That is fact. Go check Showing Up's past performances. His first grass race was at Colonial Downs on June 24th.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Andy, you seem to like to attack the college kids so maybe you can help me understand your post.

You loved Showing Up's maiden win and gushed about it on the TT Forum. Well he won his maiden at Gulfstream this year because he was lame as a two year old and Barclay couldn't get him to the track. Was their a TT Forum in February of this year?

Also, I am not sure how you would know he was going to be a great turf horse based on his maiden race on the dirt. Are you so good you just knew this or are you just a pedigree expert that knew Strategic Mission was a great turf sire? LOL.

For the record, and I believe I had to correct some false information about Showing Up that was discussed on a radioshow you often appear on, Barclay only switched him to the turf to avoid Barbaro. While Barclay owns another Strategic Mission, Stratonic, who runs on the grass, except when Tim Walters trains him on the woodchips at Fairhill, Showing Up likely would have stayed on the dirt because that is where the money is. He probably would have been a West Virginia Derby type horse and racked up money in good spots, where Barclay is an expert at finding them. Barbaro and Showing Up's problems as a 2yr old and even his minor injuries at 3 (turf is a little easier on horses-which most already know) were basically what made the turf the way to go. $1,000,000 didn't hurt either.

For those that would like to watch his maiden win, which impressed the connections, but it was actually his win over the highly regarded Chatain and Flanders Fields that made people believers, you can watch it here.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...howing_up/#top

Hang on a second, you aren't doing what I think you are, you aren't suggesting I made up the story about posting on a message board about liking Showing Up after his maiden win? That's not possible. Even you can't be THAT ridiculous.

Dude, obviously I know the Thoroughbred Times shut their board down long before 2006. I also know, and apparently you don't, but in your usual false bravado feel compelled to continuously talk about that which you don't know as though you are an authority, that people from that board formed another board and most of the posters from TT migrated there. Many of those posters are here, Philski and King Glorious come to mind, and can confirm this for you....and also probably my Showing Up thoughts if you're that desperate for proof. But, seriously dude, it's hardly a claim in need of validation. Why would I lie about that? Think about it.

As for correcting something from a show " I appear on ", as though somehow you are now saying anything associated with that show is tied to me, call them up and give them the straight dope if you like. I'm sure they would appreciate it. As for me, I understand why he went to the turf, as I understand as clearly as possible the value of dirt Graded stakes wins versus turf ones.

The " correcting college kids " line makes no sense, by the way, as on this board everyone is just a name. Your posts define you.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hang on a second, you aren't doing what I think you are, you aren't suggesting I made up the story about posting on a message board about liking Showing Up after his maiden win? That's not possible. Even you can't be THAT ridiculous.

Dude, obviously I know the Thoroughbred Times shut their board down long before 2006. I also know, and apparently you don't, but in your usual false bravado feel compelled to continuously talk about that which you don't know as though you are an authority, that people from that board formed another board and most of the posters from TT migrated there. Many of those posters are here, Philski and King Glorious come to mind, and can confirm this for you....and also probably my Showing Up thoughts if you're that desperate for proof. But, seriously dude, it's hardly a claim in need of validation. Why would I lie about that? Think about it.

As for correcting something from a show " I appear on ", as though somehow you are now saying anything associated with that show is tied to me, call them up and give them the straight dope if you like. I'm sure they would appreciate it. As for me, I understand why he went to the turf, as I understand as clearly as possible the value of dirt Graded stakes wins versus turf ones.

The " correcting college kids " line makes no sense, by the way, as on this board everyone is just a name. Your posts define you.

Not that you need it to confirm the d*ckless attack about the "TT Forum" but I know as well as many others do, even though it's no longer the "official" TT Forum it's the same gang and most even call it the TT Forum.

And I actually watched a replay of Showing Up's maiden win after BTW had talked about it, along with another unnamed person gushing over Bernardini's maiden win around the same time (well, a broken clock is right twice a day in that person's case...)

Why is it that everyone desires to attack each other? I mean we all AGREE on this one, for christ's sakes!

Originally Posted by philcski

Not that you need it to confirm the d*ckless attack about the "TT Forum" but I know as well as many others do, even though it's no longer the "official" TT Forum it's the same gang and most even call it the TT Forum.

And I actually watched a replay of Showing Up's maiden win after BTW had talked about it, along with another unnamed person gushing over Bernardini's maiden win around the same time (well, a broken clock is right twice a day in that person's case...)

Why is it that everyone desires to attack each other? I mean we all AGREE on this one, for christ's sakes!

Yeah we do agree. Noone has anything but good to say about Barbaro or Showing Up here.
Problem is we have a guy who thinks hes "wired in" to the inside of everything who always has to try and one up everyone, even in celebration of wins.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah we do agree. Noone has anything but good to say about Barbaro or Showing Up here.
Problem is we have a guy who thinks hes "wired in" to the inside of everything who always has to try and one up everyone, even in celebration of wins.

His only mission is to cause trouble, you have to believe that.
i would disregard anything he says. Flamer only.

[repent]

should get consideration for 3YO honors.

Im the biggest fan of both Barbaro and DCat, but Showing Up simply had a more complete 3YO season no matter the reasons.

Bern should and will win the award though.
that was the most complete and impressive 3YO season put together.


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