2013-2014 NBA Season

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So you're a big Robert Horry fan?

Horry and Harden would have been great together.
Big shot Bob and Big game James together would have been special.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

What's not to love?
The guy was tough, played good D, rebounded OK and was as clutch as they come. Notable clutch shots for this dude range out over 10 years. Started in 95 for Houston in Western Conference finals at San Antonio. Ending in 2005 for the Spurs in game 5 of the finals against Detroit. With a ton of great moments in between.

Horry was as clutch as they come, but because he was on seven NBA championship teams, it doesn't make him better than guys who never got a ring. You seem to think only guys who won rings are worth anything...it's not that simple. How would you compare Horry to Barkley and Ewing?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Horry and Harden would have been great together.
Big shot Bob and Big game James together would have been special.

Exactly what big games of note does James Harden have? I remember the one chance he had in the Finals he played poorly. 16-48 from the field in the series against Miami.

[Cannon Shell]

Big Shot Bob averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for his career.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Big Shot Bob averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for his career.

Bash a man with 7 rings but defend Melo? I respect you way to much to have such a bad opinion on this. You're a fan of Melo so your biased. I get it, I was a fan until I saw the light.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bash a man with 7 rings but defend Melo? I respect you way to much to have such a bad opinion on this. You're a fan of Melo so your biased. I get it, I was a fan until I saw the light.

Check out some of the guys that got rings with the Bulls. Big deal.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Check out some of the guys that got rings with the Bulls. Big deal.

Of course, but he has 7.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Of course, but he has 7.

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Of course, but he has 7.

Steve Kerr has 5. Is he better than Chris Paul?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bash a man with 7 rings but defend Melo? I respect you way to much to have such a bad opinion on this. You're a fan of Melo so your biased. I get it, I was a fan until I saw the light.

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan but this is more ridiculous than usual. So Robert Horry who basically was a bench player that hit a few clutch shots while playing cheap for good teams is a player to be respected but Carmelo Anthony who averages 25 points and 7 rebounds for his career, has never missed the playoffs in 10 NBA years, has been on 2 Olympic Gold medal teams and was MOP of the Final 4 while leading his team to an NCAA championship is a bum?

The irony here is rich considering that Anthony may be playing as well right now as he has ever played. But with a supporting cast like Kenyon Martin, Beno Udrich and Ray Felton who wouldnt play well?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly what big games of note does James Harden have? I remember the one chance he had in the Finals he played poorly. 16-48 from the field in the series against Miami.

I didnt make up the nickname.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly what big games of note does James Harden have? I remember the one chance he had in the Finals he played poorly. 16-48 from the field in the series against Miami.

He had an excellent series against SA in the Western Conference Finals the same year - 49% shooting, 18.5 PPG. Hell, his numbers for those playoffs altogether were strong - 44% FG, 41% 3PG and 16.3 PPG.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He had an excellent series against SA in the Western Conference Finals the same year - 49% shooting, 18.5 PPG. Hell, his numbers for those playoffs altogether were strong - 44% FG, 41% 3PG and 16.3 PPG.

According to PG1985 only the Finals and championships count. He was one of the chief reasons that OKC floundered in the Finals. His games 3 and 4 were awful.

Interestingly during the playoffs that year his best games were all in losses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

According to PG1985 only the Finals and championships count. He was one of the chief reasons that OKC floundered in the Finals. His games 3 and 4 were awful.

Interestingly during the playoffs that year his best games were all in losses.

OKC floundered because they ran into a better team. A team with 2 first ballot Hall of Famers, you and I both agree Bosh will be, and Ray Allen is first ballot. Plus Lebron is the best ever. They just played a better team. It was not Hardens fault.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

OKC floundered because they ran into a better team. A team with 2 first ballot Hall of Famers, you and I both agree Bosh will be, and Ray Allen is first ballot. Plus Lebron is the best ever. They just played a better team. It was not Hardens fault.

Ray Allen wasn't on that team.

See my post to Chuck. People act like Miami steamrolled OKC, when that is very far from the truth.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Ray Allen wasn't on that team.

See my post to Chuck. People act like Miami steamrolled OKC, when that is very far from the truth.

Of course they didnt steamroll them OKC won game 1. Miami was the better team though, no? Maybe not much better, but Lebron was the X factor.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

OKC floundered because they ran into a better team. A team with 2 first ballot Hall of Famers, you and I both agree Bosh will be, and Ray Allen is first ballot. Plus Lebron is the best ever. They just played a better team. It was not Hardens fault.

Miami was the better team but in 3 of the 5 games Harden played poorly.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

According to PG1985 only the Finals and championships count. He was one of the chief reasons that OKC floundered in the Finals. His games 3 and 4 were awful.

Interestingly during the playoffs that year his best games were all in losses.

Most of his best games with the Rockets seem to come in losses as well. He is very selfish in close games, and aside from his defense, it is his biggest shortcoming.

The thought that championships are the only way to measure someone historically is the single dumbest thing in sports.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thought that championships are the only way to measure someone historically is the single dumbest thing in sports.

It all started with Wilt and Russell. Russell was a great, great player but without the genius of Red Auerbach no one in 2014 thinks he was better than Wilt. Lot of those Celtics are in the hall of fame because they played on Boston and not Detroit or Cincinnati

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

According to PG1985 only the Finals and championships count. He was one of the chief reasons that OKC floundered in the Finals. His games 3 and 4 were awful.

Interestingly during the playoffs that year his best games were all in losses.

People forget how close all those games were until Game 5. Harden killed the Thunder in 3 and 4. Average games by him and they probably win one or both. Pretty sure he was bad in the Game 1 too, and then had the nerve to complain about his playing time and number of shots in the locker room after a victory. He didn't make many friends that day.