Penn National arrests

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Throw them all in jail then, people will straighten up right quick I would imagine.

For a crime doesnt there have to be evidence of willfully committing the crime? I dont think they arresting a simple mistake, which obviously this clocker did not.

I agree. They also need to ban all horses currently trained by these trainers for 1 year. No Transfer, no running under an assistant. That way such great for the game owners that currently run their horses with suspected juicers will also put pressure on trainers to not cheat. This is good for the game long term. This will level the playing field for legit trainers such as Cannon

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree. They also need to ban all horses currently trained by these trainers for 1 year. No Transfer, no running under an assistant. That way such great for the game owners that currently run their horses with suspected juicers will also put pressure on trainers to not cheat. This is good for the game long term. This will level the playing field for legit trainers such as Cannon

And the guidebook for who is 'suspect' and who isn't is found where?

As a proviso, be aware that many of those walking around wearing white hats take edges as readily as those in the black hats. But certainly the Court of the Internet will make it clear for everyone who the cheaters are who is pure as driven snow.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

And the guidebook for who is 'suspect' and who isn't is found where?

As a proviso, be aware that many of those walking around wearing white hats take edges as readily as those in the black hats. But certainly the Court of the Internet will make it clear for everyone who the cheaters are who is pure as driven snow.

Is a guidebook necessary? All owners would pressure their trainers to run clean if they face not being able to run their horses's for a year. I own a 20 pct of a couple and will willingly play by those rules.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree. They also need to ban all horses currently trained by these trainers for 1 year. No Transfer, no running under an assistant. That way such great for the game owners that currently run their horses with suspected juicers will also put pressure on trainers to not cheat. This is good for the game long term. This will level the playing field for legit trainers such as Cannon

I am all for a level playing field but criminalizing offenses out of the blue is troublesome. I want the game to make sense but by the same token I find it hard to believe that Sam Webb whose 10% cut of his horses earnings this year is 21000 or Trish Rogers who was caught giving 2 cc of lasix are running criminal conspiracies. If they are only going to go after the actual person giving the drug/med then nothing much will change. You think Juice trainers are hitting the horses themselves? I play by the rules but because most states dont tell you the rules and the PA statues are so wide open for judicial interpretation you dont even know. It is pretty troubling that the adjuncts my horse ran on in MD last month would be consider a federal crime in PA this month.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am all for a level playing field but criminalizing offenses out of the blue is troublesome. I want the game to make sense but by the same token I find it hard to believe that Sam Webb whose 10% cut of his horses earnings this year is 21000 or Trish Rogers who was caught giving 2 cc of lasix are running criminal conspiracies. If they are only going to go after the actual person giving the drug/med then nothing much will change. You think Juice trainers are hitting the horses themselves? I play by the rules but because most states dont tell you the rules and the PA statues are so wide open for judicial interpretation you dont even know. It is pretty troubling that the adjuncts my horse ran on in MD last month would be consider a federal crime in PA this month.

I understand were you are coming from. Maybe this is the right idea but the wrong case.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I understand were you are coming from. Maybe this is the right idea but the wrong case.

Im not a legal expert by any means but based on what we know Webb/Rogers look like cherry picked cases where the PA commission already provided the legwork. If you brought in guys who are taking millions out of the game Federal involvement would seem to be a little more fitting. It is like the Feds getting involved with PED's in professional sports and busting 3 minor league hockey players and ignoring the NFL.