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11-15-2013, 11:20 AM
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the main reason why repubs tried so hard to get the aca quashed-they are afraid once people are in it, using it, they'll like it. this is the same party that fought social security tooth and nail. unemployment insurance as well. funny, they didn't cause the ruination of this country. i wonder if ss is a reason why the life expectancy rate increased here. i'll have to look it up. it's certainly not because of our current health care system, which ranks 37th on efficacy, and first in price.
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11-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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Don't look now but the Republicans, especially Ted Cruz, have been vindicated. This law is as bad as we were warned. Defunding it in hindsight looks like a good idea to the 5 million who have lost their plans. Whatever negative effects the shutdown had are now over. ObamaCare is the gift that keeps on giving - it continues to suck. It keeps getting worse for more and more people. It is far worse in magnitude. And, even if these two things were on par - the most recent event is the ObamaCare debacle. The Democrats have finally given themselves a poison pill.
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11-15-2013, 01:27 PM
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11-15-2013, 01:58 PM
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1) Cash for Clunkers 2) Passing on Keystone Pipeline 3) Solyndra 4) GM Bailout 5) Egypt 6) Pakistan (In fact entire Arab Spring) 7) The lack of investigation into the downing of a helicopter that killed 22 seals. 8) The lack of investigation check that; the stonewalling of the investigation into the Benghazi murders. 9) Adding over 6 trillion or $60,000 for every full time worker to the debt. 10) And the obvious, the Obamacare fiasco Honorable mention: Throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game as an 8-year old girl.
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11-15-2013, 02:22 PM
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 never would have thought i'd ever be in a position to 'defend' obama. it's not so much a defense as me saying, wait-he's not the only one to blame.it's funny how things end up. i know when he ran, way back when, i was going no, no, no...there won't be change, can't happen. you can't close gitmo. etc, etc. was i right? yeah. did he try? of course. but the system isn't conducive to a president, determined as he may be, to buck that system. his democratic party won't let him. the people who fund his party won't let him. just like the people who fund the repubs won't let them. if one wants to know why they all do what they do, one need only look at who is actually in control. why did cruz do what he did? cause his koch brother bosses told him to. the dems can't fix things. the reps can't fix things. as long as those really in charge are in charge, things will continue as they are, with the rich dictating everything. i can't afford lobbyists. so, i don't get subsidies, i don't get bank regs in my favor, i don't get to control wages. and so on.
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11-15-2013, 01:42 PM
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11-15-2013, 09:34 PM
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One thing I can say about Bob he is a good dude. Even though we disagree on a lot of political issues - who cares - he a good human and that's all that matters.
........and the Bastard owes me a few beers 
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11-15-2013, 02:08 PM
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i guess my ways of presenting my arguments are abject failures. so, let's try this. i didn't vote for obama. that's in both elections. i don't like the aca. now, let's look at the repubs, who have the majority in the house. ok, when's the last time a budget was completed? not in years. why? and obama doesn't write the budget. when did the farm bill fail for the first time ever? this year. why? i'll give you a hint-it failed in the house. how many jobs bills has the house presented? 0 what political body caused the recent shutdown, costing billions? the tea party republicans, even tho they conceded it would cause harm if they did so. what did they gain? nothing. pres obama signed an order creating a bipartisan committee to tackle the budget. were suggestions made? yep. followed? nope. their lack of ability to get anything done led to the sequester. a man made dilemma. so, if you wish to talk about individual things and what can be done to fix it, let's go. if you think just d's cause problems, and just r's can fix it, you'd be wrong.
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