What Obama meant to say

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess perception is reality. he has a way to go to catch his predecessor. he's about half of bush's total right now.
everyone has a way to go to catch fdr.

And Bush was a dreadful President as well. Since you don't understand rule of law, I'm not going to waste my time. He thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, in a three branch government, he can't execute the laws by choosing which aspects of laws to execute....Clinton would do things personally that showed he was a jerk, but he would have never done the things Obama has done.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

And Bush was a dreadful President as well. Since you don't understand rule of law, I'm not going to waste my time. He thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, in a three branch government, he can't execute the laws by choosing which aspects of laws to execute....Clinton would do things personally that showed he was a jerk, but he would have never done the things Obama has done.

yes, he was dreadful. and please, don't try to say what i do or don't understand about rule of law.
we can disagree about certain things, but don't try to say what i know.

executive orders have been around since washington, who issued 8. now, neither of us like the aca law, but that doesn't have bearing on what he can and cannot issue.
i respect consistency, and it always amazes me when people have one set of rules for one group of people, and a different set of rules for others...repubs vs democrats for instance. tell me, did you complain about every bush executive order?
since obama is actually righting a wrong, you still feel he is out of place with this?

[randallscott35]

Ok, so Bush was dreadful, and yet you lib clowns on here can't admit what an out and out failure Obama has been. Instead you resort to silly instead of coming up with anything of an argument. I get it, you voted for him and its hard to admit he sucks. That's too bad.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Ok, so Bush was dreadful, and yet you lib clowns on here can't admit what an out and out failure Obama has been. Instead you resort to silly instead of coming up with anything of an argument. I get it, you voted for him and its hard to admit he sucks. That's too bad.

oh, so i'm a lib now? and a clown?

can everyone copy and paste this, so when we have a gun rights discussion and i get told i'm a conservative clown, i can point to this?

i know that some like to label others, or put everyone in a box called 'black' or 'white' and don't see shades of grey....that's a shame.
i have been critical of obama many times over, and have presented plenty of evidence, so i don't know what it is you're talking about regarding arguments.
i did ask some questions of you, should this post in reply be construed as your answers? if so, they are wide of the mark.

oh, and i didn't vote for obama in either election, but nice try. anything else i can refute for you? i know it's difficult having your beliefs corrected, but perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to infer something?

[randallscott35]

Great then...and being for gun rights is not against all libs so that proves nothing. Just understand, when your only comment is ,, its hard to think you have much else to offer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Great then...and being for gun rights is not against all libs so that proves nothing. Just understand, when your only comment is ,, its hard to think you have much else to offer.

i think i've offered plenty in this room. now, what you choose to pay attention to, or not, is your choice.
my point is that people like to label, i defy labels-for everyone, not just me. also, i won't call someone a name, because how do you take it back? randall, we don't disagree on everything...so, when i am on your side, tell me...how would it feel knowing you have a clown agreeing with you?

so, please, stick to the issues. if you cannot, and have to get personal, i'd prefer you put me on ignore. i'm not here for junior high b.s.

as for three parties...you could have three hundred, it won't matter.
as long as the people with money get to pull the strings, everything will be written by and for the people with money, to benefit them. what group is there to lobby for us, the common man? aren't we the largest 'special interest' group?

[randallscott35]

Even a clown can be right on some things. I'm glad you defy labels. No one is going to agree with everyone on everything. My point is that I can't see how there can be any disagreement that Obama has been an incredible failure as a president. I don't care what your politics are. You don't need a label for that. It is what it is.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Ok, so Bush was dreadful, and yet you lib clowns on here can't admit what an out and out failure Obama has been. Instead you resort to silly instead of coming up with anything of an argument. I get it, you voted for him and its hard to admit he sucks. That's too bad.

The only clowns are ones that think there is a difference between the 2 parties and waste time fighting to the death defending either. Those are the clowns. Zig gets it.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by jms62

The only clowns are ones that think there is a difference between the 2 parties and waste time fighting to the death defending either. Those are the clowns. Zig gets it.

No doubt. We need a 3rd party. Our system is not setup for one to be successful. So pick your poison.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

No doubt. We need a 3rd party. Our system is not setup for one to be successful. So pick your poison.

Randall..I gave the because there is as much thought process behind that as was your casual "utter failure"..or whatever you wrote. Obviously we are polar opposites on policy, but I give BO the most credit for at least TRYING on immigration reform, trying on health care, trying on a REASONABLE Gun policy etc..Obviously the ACA is deeply mired with problems but the root of it is based on very sound principal I strongly believe. There is no way something this far reaching and of this magnitude was going to be launched error free. And again..I totally accept that this is WAY beyond error free, but the status quo sucks and if we don't try to improve as a country, what is our mission in the first place?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Randall..I gave the because there is as much thought process behind that as was your casual "utter failure"..or whatever you wrote. Obviously we are polar opposites on policy, but I give BO the most credit for at least TRYING on immigration reform, trying on health care, trying on a REASONABLE Gun policy etc..Obviously the ACA is deeply mired with problems but the root of it is based on very sound principal I strongly believe. There is no way something this far reaching and of this magnitude was going to be launched error free. And again..I totally accept that this is WAY beyond error free, but the status quo sucks and if we don't try to improve as a country, what is our mission in the first place?

Please help me see where we have improved as a country.Record income inequality. 50 million on food stamps...And the Fed is buying 70% of our debt each month, that's only reason we don't collapse back to '08. That's sustainable to you?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Randall..I gave the because there is as much thought process behind that as was your casual "utter failure"..or whatever you wrote. Obviously we are polar opposites on policy, but I give BO the most credit for at least TRYING on immigration reform, trying on health care, trying on a REASONABLE Gun policy etc..Obviously the ACA is deeply mired with problems but the root of it is based on very sound principal I strongly believe. There is no way something this far reaching and of this magnitude was going to be launched error free. And again..I totally accept that this is WAY beyond error free, but the status quo sucks and if we don't try to improve as a country, what is our mission in the first place?

there was no way for anything to be moved along once the republicans gained the majority in the house. they'd made no secret at all what their agenda was. it wasn't jobs, immigration, gun reform, any of that. just stonewall anything obama wanted done-whether it was good or bad.

it's a shame, but not surprising, that the aca is having these problems. they had all this time to get it done, and it's embarrassing that the exchange and website are so...bad.
but, i find it somewhat funny that people are up in arms about their current plans being ditched. hello. it's all been out there for years, it's not like it suddenly snuck out of the bushes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

The only clowns are ones that think there is a difference between the 2 parties and waste time fighting to the death defending either. Those are the clowns. Zig gets it.

i just don't understand it.

i guess people don't think. whatever obama, or bush, or whomever does, it's wrong because they do it.
would it be a good executive order? maybe. but it's bad, because he issued it? kill the messenger, even if it's a good message?

christ, where's john quincy adams when you need him? we could use more people like him in d.c. he pissed off various groups on a regular basis, depending on the subject. now, that's my kinda guy. he wasn't a party guy. he might be with you today, and against you two days ago...but that's because two days ago you had an idea on something that sucked. but today, your idea on another subject was spot on.
he was beholden to no one, nothing. he got voted out early on, and then voted in after his one term as president, and spent his last moments on earth in the House. his last word ever was a resounding 'no!', regarding texas.

[GPK]

Welp...I'm all caught up now.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

Welp...I'm all caught up now.

well, hey there!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GPK

Welp...I'm all caught up now.

That beautiful girl of yours can bring peace to us all. God Bless her.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, hey there!

Hey Deb Hope you, Tony and the kids are well.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That beautiful girl of yours can bring peace to us all. God Bless her.

She's a blessing, for sure. She's my shadow... goes anywhere and everywhere her Daddy goes. Tells me all the time that I'm her best friend. Just turned 4 a few weeks ago, so that behavior wont last much longer. Gotta milk it for all its worth while I can.
I assume fatherhood is treating you well?

[randallscott35]

Much harder than I thought it would be...Girls are much easier than boys at least as babies...Lots of fun. Changes your priorities in a good way.

[Danzig]

doing great. but it appears now that eric won't be home for christmas after all.

enjoy your time with your girl, it flies by. next thing you know, she's 23 and giving you fits-like mine is with me!

[Danzig]

http://news.msn.com/us/is-it-too-lat...care-plan-back


what an utter disaster. it's only getting worse, not better, with this aca mess that they've had four years to implement.

i hope no one with a soon to be cancelled plan is celebrating that they might be able to keep it. this stuff isn't exactly a light switch one can turn off and then back on.
let me tell you, it would take you less time to find a new plan than it will take to find out if you can keep your current one.
and every change made to the aca that takes away anything mandated only weakens the law and makes it that much harder for insurers to perform everything the government is asking of them. this house of cards is built upon a basic premise of everyone capable of buying to do so, and pay for every mandated bit of coverage (unlike these much lower cost plans now) but not all of those purchasing need or will use all these mandated items. but they'll pay for it, thus keeping the ship afloat.
again, as long as we deem healthcare a for profit business, you will run into schemes like this. it's ridiculous.
instead, they should have mandated catastrophic care, so that those emergencies would be covered, and allowed people to buy supplements. we should have instituted one hundred percent medicare, for everyone. it would have been a way to provide everyone with medical coverage, which is what they're trying to do now, without all the various and sundry rules, regs, exchanges, subsidies, info sharing, etc, etc-all while the insurers try to also keep shareholders happy and make some money.