15% rake NYRA P5 officially starts Saturday

[pointman]

Any word as to whether Trakus will be installed for the Belmont meet?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pointman

Any word as to whether Trakus will be installed for the Belmont meet?

Yes, it will be.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, it will be.

Cool, then we can have some more fun with timing discussions!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pointman

Any word as to whether Trakus will be installed for the Belmont meet?

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening 51m: While Trakus will be unveiled at the Belmont meet, it will not be up and running opening day. Expect week of 9-25, maybe week earlier.

[JimmyEllis]

Originally Posted by Kasept

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening 51m: While Trakus will be unveiled at the Belmont meet, it will not be up and running opening day. Expect week of 9-25, maybe week earlier.

What's the timeframe for Trakus
data actually be made available in a usable format? No real use as it's presently presented

[-BT-]

agree that this a great step forward for NY racing, but the placement of the pick5 i could do without

not giving too much consideration to those on the left coast who would have to start their day even earlier to take part in this wager, just saying

-bt-

[pointman]

Originally Posted by -BT-

agree that this a great step forward for NY racing, but the placement of the pick5 i could do without

not giving too much consideration to those on the left coast who would have to start their day even earlier to take part in this wager, just saying

-bt-

I agree with you on the placement of the pk5. I think it would be a much bigger hit if it were the last 5 races of the day.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by pointman

I agree with you on the placement of the pk5. I think it would be a much bigger hit if it were the last 5 races of the day.

Agree better quality races and including stakes races/graded stakes in the sequence would be huge.

[NTamm1215]

If you're NYRA, you have to have it on the 1st-5th. Having it on the last five races will hurt PK 6 handle and will hurt late PK 4 handle. The first five races are lower handling races that will benefit from people who looked at them for PK 5 purposes.

Early PK 4 handle is good, but not at the level of the late PK 4, especially on weekends.

As far as it being early in the day, I think people will find a way to deal with the atrocity of having to gamble before noon.

[asudevil]

With great respect to my NYRA friends.....ABOUT TIME!!! It's really been a fun wagering opportunity in CA.

Also, Happy & Healthy New Year (5774) to the DT "tribe's folk."

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by -BT-

agree that this a great step forward for NY racing, but the placement of the pick5 i could do without

not giving too much consideration to those on the left coast who would have to start their day even earlier to take part in this wager, just saying

-bt-

So they'll basically just have to do what west coast NFL fans have been doing for decades? If it were the last five races instead, people would complain about it cannibalizing the Pick 6. A really good wagering opportunity is worth getting up early for IMO.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So they'll basically just have to do what west coast NFL fans have been doing for decades? If it were the last five races instead, people would complain about it cannibalizing the Pick 6. A really good wagering opportunity is worth getting up early for IMO.

watching and handicapping are two very different things.
i can watch football at 9-10AM
Having to get up at 9-10AM get scratches/changes etc. etc. etc. and then formulate a strategy/opinion to invest in this pool isn't gonna be a thrilling idea for those out left who want to participate.

I understand why they're doing it, i get that it will eat away at the PK6 which is huge in NY. Aside from Del Mar, can you name another circuit who offers a pk5 on race 1, better yet, a circuit on the east coast who offers one?
I'd be interested to see how this affects the early pk4. And now, do you give more consideration as to where to place certain races ie: 5K, MSW, SMSW now that this wager is apart of your daily card?

-bt-

[10 pnt move up]

I assume most people handicap the night before, how much time does one need before the races to get the scratches and enter in the bet?

[pointman]

I get the arguments for having the pk5 early in the day, but I am not sure it is so cut and dry as that. BT makes some excellent points. If you are like me, someone who works five days a week and rarely gets to handicap much of the card before the races start, it will be a challenge for me to have the first five races handicapped to be in position to make the wager. Most days I am in a better position to play multi's on the later races because I have been able to handicap the rest of the card between the early races.

I have a hard time believing it will canibalize the pk6 pool in particular. To me the pk6 player is a completely different animal than the pk5 or pk4 player and I find it hard to believe that putting a pk5 in a race after the pk6 would put much of a dent in the pk6 pool. Sure, the pk4 pool will take somewhat of a hit, but many people will play both pools, especially if you are knocked out in the first leg or if you are going narrower in the pk5 and want to have more coverage with more spread in the pk4.

Then there is the issue of Aqueduct in the winter and sometimes at Belmont where you have small fields in the early races or fields with first time starters or the races they don't want in the pk6 which will get stuck in the pk5 making the bet less attractive.

I think there is higher handle in the later races in NY for two reasons, first you have more people who ignore the earlier races and get involved in the later races because they are typically better betting races and higer quality fields, as JMS says, more stakes races, i.e. quality fields, which attract higher pools. Second, they are getting a lot more money from the West Coast.

IMO the bet should be where the best action on it will be, in the later races.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by -BT-

watching and handicapping are two very different things.
i can watch football at 9-10AM
Having to get up at 9-10AM get scratches/changes etc. etc. etc. and then formulate a strategy/opinion to invest in this pool isn't gonna be a thrilling idea for those out left who want to participate.

I understand why they're doing it, i get that it will eat away at the PK6 which is huge in NY. Aside from Del Mar, can you name another circuit who offers a pk5 on race 1, better yet, a circuit on the east coast who offers one?
I'd be interested to see how this affects the early pk4. And now, do you give more consideration as to where to place certain races ie: 5K, MSW, SMSW now that this wager is apart of your daily card?

-bt-

You say "aside from Del Mar", but SoCal is the only other circuit that handles the kind of Pick 6/late Pick 4 money that NY does. Comparing NY pools to anything but SoCal is apples and oranges.

The time thing is a minor inconvenience for a terrific wagering opportunity. If you really want to get down to it, having races during the day on weekdays is in itself an inconvenience for people with 9-5 jobs, having races at night is an inconvenience for people with kids, etc. and players adapt.

I like the early start, the low takeout, and the low minimum bet. Not normally a horizontal bettor, but will have to get into this.

Best thing is you will have will-pay information on 40% of the bet, not just
1/6th. Early DD action ould be a huge leg up on the P5.