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Old 06-18-2013, 03:07 PM
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so....the president hell-bent on disarming his own citizens is also hell-bent on arming those in syria.
doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:44 PM
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so....the president hell-bent on disarming his own citizens is also hell-bent on arming those in syria.
doesn't make a lot of sense.
dan, you are a history buff...maybe i have my countries confused but i seem to recall some time back the Syrian gov't was referred to as the Western backed gov't of Syria..no?
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:36 PM
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dan, you are a history buff...maybe i have my countries confused but i seem to recall some time back the Syrian gov't was referred to as the Western backed gov't of Syria..no?
i don't know, i'd have to look into it. wouldn't surprise me if it was. once upon a time, we were allies with saddam, and afganistan was our biggest recipient of foreign aid. our foreign policy SUCKS.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:45 PM
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looked into syria a bit, but don't see anything to indicate it was ever a western ally. it was established as a french mandate after ww1, and has had mostly trouble ever since. lots of upheaval, and then the assads took over, first the father and of course now his son. they were allies with iran during the iran/iraq war, and are foes of israel.

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i don't know, i'd have to look into it. wouldn't surprise me if it was. once upon a time, we were allies with saddam, and afganistan was our biggest recipient of foreign aid. our foreign policy SUCKS.
It all comes down to oil. If we'd actually get serious about putting real money into alternative, renewable, energy sources, we'd need the Middle East a lot less.

Doug once commented here that he wonders if, 500 years from now, history will describe Osama bin Laden as the man who brought down two empires- the Soviet Union and the United States. Very smart comment.

Though, in all fairness, the Bush Administration was determined to go into Iraq from the day they got into office. 9/11 was just the excuse.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:29 AM
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i think there's got to be more to this than oil. nato going after libya made me wonder too....is it all still european (and now, us included) imperial desires?
it's as tho we have become the old worlds mercenary army.
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i think there's got to be more to this than oil. nato going after libya made me wonder too....is it all still european (and now, us included) imperial desires?
it's as tho we have become the old worlds mercenary army.
Imperial desires are about access to limited resources. We may not practice direct colonialism now, but we're still practicing economic colonialism.
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It all comes down to oil. If we'd actually get serious about putting real money into alternative, renewable, energy sources, we'd need the Middle East a lot less.

Doug once commented here that he wonders if, 500 years from now, history will describe Osama bin Laden as the man who brought down two empires- the Soviet Union and the United States. Very smart comment.

Though, in all fairness, the Bush Administration was determined to go into Iraq from the day they got into office. 9/11 was just the excuse

On that point, saw this the other day..watch the video..

Why Cheney is the Traitor, and Why we Can’t Believe Obama on Safeguards (The Ultimate Clip of Gov’t Lies) http://tinyurl.com/knn95e2
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dan, you are a history buff...maybe i have my countries confused but i seem to recall some time back the Syrian gov't was referred to as the Western backed gov't of Syria..no?
Not sure how far back you have to go for friendly relations between the US and Syria. We were actually in a brief conflict with them between 1983 and 1984. You may remember this. This was when Jessie Jackson went to Syria to obtain the release of the young aviator Robert O. Goodman. He was shot down over Lebanon and captured by the Syrians and held by them for about a month until Jackson and others got him released.

Might be mistaken, but I think the Syrians did contribute a token force to armies opposed to Saddam in Desert Storm. Don't really think that should be construed as "pro-western." I think Saddam was just universally despised. Even by other Arabs.
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Not sure how far back you have to go for friendly relations between the US and Syria. We were actually in a brief conflict with them between 1983 and 1984. You may remember this. This was when Jessie Jackson went to Syria to obtain the release of the young aviator Robert O. Goodman. He was shot down over Lebanon and captured by the Syrians and held by them for about a month until Jackson and others got him released.

Might be mistaken, but I think the Syrians did contribute a token force to armies opposed to Saddam in Desert Storm. Don't really think that should be construed as "pro-western." I think Saddam was just universally despised. Even by other Arabs.
yeah, that was anti-iraq, not pro-western.


and karzai now has broken off peace talks with the u.s., and i completely understand that decision.

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so....the president hell-bent on disarming his own citizens is also hell-bent on arming those in syria.
doesn't make a lot of sense.
It actually makes complete sense, provided you understand the agenda.


>>>So now it's in your face, you see: Obama is arming terrorists. Not just any terrorists, but THE terrorists that Bush claimed justified the rise of the entire U.S. police state reach-down-your-pants spy grid security theater apparatus. Isn't it now obvious that the U.S. government runs al-Queda, 1984-style, to make sure America always has a boogeyman to invoke when justifying the destruction of civil rights and individual privacy?” <<<

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