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02-01-2013, 09:29 PM
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I think if you had to rank them on statistical production during their time in the NFL, of course Rice is #1.
It's a lot more tricky than trying to rank horses though. With horses, you're just looking at races. With football players, it's an 11-on-11 game with 3 phases and many dozens of plays a game. The championship thing is nonsense. Moss is probably going to win this year ... and he's basically been brought in to sit in the front row and get Crabtree and Vernon Davis to pay attention in meetings. Guys like Kapernick and Lamichael James have also gravitated to him and they talk about him like he is a God. Harbaugh did with Randy Moss what Pittsburgh Phil would try to do with horses in his stable ... bring in a pet chicken, or pet dog, or pet rabbit to keep his horses happy during training and racing time. 2013 Randy Moss = Pittsburgh Phil's pet rooster. 
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02-01-2013, 10:14 PM
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I don't want you to think I don't think highly of Moss, because I do. Obviously I like messing with you about him...but the guy is great. It isn't easy to rate players and maybe I'm a little biased because I grew up watching Rice as a kid and was in awe of his ability.
It's just that when so many former players talk about how difficult it was to cover Rice and how great he was...it has to mean something.
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02-03-2013, 08:24 AM
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How a reciever who had a huge propensity to take multiple plays "off" per game could even be mentioned in the same breath as Rice is mind boggling! Jerry ran crisp routes while Randy only ran deep ones (when he wanted to). Those who think Moss is the best ever are akin to me thinking Rockport Harbor was the best 2 yr old of his class, letting fandom completely mask us from the truth.
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02-03-2013, 10:29 AM
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It's not ridiculous.
Moss was voted the 2nd best NFL WR of all-time by a panel of famous former players and GM's. He said "I think I am the greatest WR ever to play this game" -- which is a little different than saying "I think I am the greatest NFL WR of all-time" Moss was the #1 player in the country at ANY position coming out of high school. He's obviously light years the best college WR of all-time. 54 touchdowns in 2 seasons with 2 different QB's playing in a run first offense. Anyone who didn't regularly watch Moss play in his early years in Minnesota shouldn't talk.
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02-03-2013, 10:46 AM
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I remember a game early in his career, where Moss had something like 130 yards worth of defensive pass interference called against him.
I've watched Calvin Johnson a lot ... and he couldn't carry Moss's jock. If anyone thinks Calvin Johnson is comparable with Moss they have to be crazy. Calvin Johnson is the king of garbage time. Moss always quit in garbage time...and refused to risk injuries by padding his stats.
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02-03-2013, 11:35 AM
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Moss really helped Carter squeeze a few more quality years out.
Cris Carter was in his 12th year for Moss's rookie year. People forget that Cris Carter couldn't get on the field for the Miami Dolphins in 2002. He had just 8 catches for 66 yards for the Dolphins in the 2002 season -- he only started one game and was a reserve by seasons end. If Cris Carter was really helping Moss out so much in 2000 and 2001 ... why was he such a spectacular dud with the Miami Dolphins in 2002? The Dolphins had Chris Chambers, James McKnight, and Oronde Gadsden as their other WR's ... it's not like his competition was murderers row. Cris Carter has always been honest about how much Moss helped prolong his career ... but people would pretend that the decrepit Cris Carter that played with Moss in Minny in 2000 and 2001 was the same Cris Carter from 1994 when he was in his prime.
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02-03-2013, 01:10 PM
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02-03-2013, 01:52 PM
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The idea that someone has to waste 3 years of their life playing for free at a college is ridiculous. Most WR's aren't even ready to play by their rookie year, so the restriction isn't as harmful to them like it was for Moss. Moss was the undisputed best WR in football his rookie season. He was the only WR selected 1st team All-Pro by all 3 voting blocks...and his QB who started the season as a back-up in his 14th season and was unemployed the previous year, was second in the voting for NFL MVP even though he only started 14 games. Rice was obviously the better NFL player in terms of body of work. Hell, he's probably the best NFL player in history in terms of body of work. However, Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young in his prime and he played in a system that was based on attacking teams with underneath passes instead of running the ball. So, perfect system for him, with great QB's. Moss didn't get Tom Brady until he was 30 years old. And Pollard ended Brady's season in the 1st quarter of the 1st game the next season. So, Moss was 32-years-old and washed up when he had his 2nd season with Brady (just 1,264 yards receiving and tied for an NFL best 13 TD's)
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02-03-2013, 02:11 PM
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Honestly man, the fact he couldn't turn pro until he did probably prolonged his career. Calling him immature and saying his priorities were out of wack at that age would be an understatement. Imagine if he had a bunch of money?
How many 49er games did you watch in the 80's and early 90's?
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02-03-2013, 06:03 PM
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I have Moss as the best. The fact that people keep bringing up that Moss would take plays off is funny to me. To take plays off and still compile the numbers he did is incredible. The thing they don't understand is that a lot of the time, it was not only excepted by his coaches but also asked for. They wanted him conserving his energy for when they were asking him to go long. Whereas Rice might run three straight routes of 10-15 yards, Moss would be asked to run 40 yards. So if he took the next play off to be ready to run 40 yards again, they were ok with that.
Rice was more consistent. Moss was more explosive. Over a three game stretch, Rice might go for 8-100-1 each game. Moss might go 2-45-0, 3-60-0, 4-180-3. Moss put more fear into defensive backs and coordinators than anyone else ever has. You had to make sure you had both safeties in the area. It's no coincidence that the two most prolific single season offenses in NFL history both featured Moss. Adding to what Calzone was saying about his college days, coaching staffs at both Notre Dame and Florida St said he was the greatest athlete to ever come to those schools. Going back to high school, he was also twice named as the top basketball player, even though future #7 NBA draft pick Jason Williams was on his team. Give me equal players to surround them with and I'm taking Moss. There has never been an athlete like him and I doubt I'll ever see another one.
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02-03-2013, 08:27 PM
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02-03-2013, 08:50 PM
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Bo Jackson was a better athlete and so was Jim Brown. Aside from running the fastest 40 yard dash ever at the combine, Jackson also ran track at Auburn and qualified for Nationals his freshman and sophomore years. I'll take that over being the HS state champ in West Virginia, but just for good measure Jackson was also a two time state champ in the 100 meter dash, in Alabama. He was as good as Moss, if not better in college, he averaged over 6 yards per carry and won a Heisman. He was able to make an all star team in pro baseball and pro bowl in the NFL in his brief career.
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02-03-2013, 09:31 PM
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02-03-2013, 09:54 PM
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moss could have been the best wr ever, but i don't think he was. i think he was his own worst enemy.
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02-04-2013, 06:23 PM
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Baseball wise, Jackson was Adam Dunn with more speed. You would think with him being as fast as he was, he would have stolen more bases or that his steals success ratio would have been much better. Bo was a career. 250 hitter. He once led the league in strikeouts. He was pretty much feast or famine. Yao Ming got more votes than Shaq. Jeremy Lin got more votes than James Harden.
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02-04-2013, 09:18 PM
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02-05-2013, 02:20 PM
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Bo Jackson was a career .250 hitter who struck out a lot, but could run, throw, and hit for good power.
He edged Iowa QB Chuck Long in one of the closest Heisman votes ever his Sr. year. Bo wasn't even a top 10 finalist for the Heisman as a freshman, sophomore, or junior. Nike did a great job inflating his reputation. There certainly have been much better baseball players and there certainly have been better college running backs. Every single season Herschel Walker had in his 3 seasons at Georgia were all better than Bo's best season at Auburn.
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