Moss calls him the best WR ever at Super Bowl press confrence

[Dahoss]

He was the consensus best HS player ever, beat up on Ball State and Kent State in college and blew off the combine to get braces?

Nevermind what Rice did on the field in the NFL. Moss is the best.

[Calzone Lord]

Warren Sapp, Deion Sanders, Michael Irvin, and Brian Billick's take on this topic:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ace-in-history

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He was the consensus best HS player ever, beat up on Ball State and Kent State in college and blew off the combine to get braces?

Nevermind what Rice did on the field in the NFL. Moss is the best.

Moss (like all players) was denied an opportunity to be allowed to play in the NFL in his prime because of the rule that players had to have 3 years of college.

Anyone who saw Moss in the years before he arrived in the NFL knew his prime was being wasted by college.

Terrell Owens did absolutely nothing in college until his senior year while he played for the Chattanooga Mocking Birds.

Jerry Rice didn't start turning it on in college until his Junior while playing in a very pass happy offense at Mississippi Valley State.

When Moss was at Marshall, he was recognized as the best player in all of college football at any position before his 2nd season.

The most reputable scouts awarded him that honor ... even Sports Illustrated called him the nations best player at any position going into his sophomore year.

The Moss who played at Marshall was a MUCH better athlete and had much greater leaping ability than the Moss who caught 23 TD's on that 16-0 Patriots team in 2007. He didn't play a single snap of pre-season that year and was coming off of a dud year in Oakland where he had hamstring issues.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 forty yard dash at the combine -- he didn't win with speed or size. Moss won with speed, size, body control, leaping ability, and incredible hands ... do you think he had more of those qualities at age 20 or age 30?

He had more speed at age 20, but he didn't have Brady throwing him the ball until he was 30. Brady got hurt in his 2nd season. So Moss was over 32 years old by the time he got his second season with Brady started.

From age 31 onward -- of course Rice is going to be a much better WR. His entire game wasn't based around his speed.

[Calzone Lord]

Here was an interesting quote about Moss from his rookie season:

“When I think of Randy Moss, I just think . . . Wow. Our second Super Bowl year in Denver was his first year in Minnesota back in 1997. We were set to play the Jets in the AFC Championship Game, but really, we were already thinking about having to face Randy in the Super Bowl. We were horrified of that dude. Horrified. We had Ray Crockett and Darrien Gordon as our cornerbacks. Randy was 6-foot-4. They were 5-7. And he was a hell of a lot faster than both of them. We all knew we had no chance at stopping him if we’d played him in the Super Bowl that year. None. We had the late game on that Championship Game weekend. Once they lost — somehow — to the Falcons, we knew we were winning the Super Bowl that year. We didn’t have to face Randy Moss. The rest was easy. That was that. He scared the hell out of us.“

— Trevor Pryce, Denver Broncos,

Eddie George...

“In 2002, we played him and the Vikings up in the Metrodome, and I’ll never forget this. He took a wide receiver screen — a 2-yard pass at the line of scrimmage — and he smoked the fastest player on our team, Samari Rolle, for a 60-yard touchdown. I’d never seen anything like it. He caught a screen pass, and then, on a dead sprint — just burned right past our fastest guy. “

— Eddie George, former NFL player

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Moss (like all players) was denied an opportunity to be allowed to play in the NFL in his prime because of the rule that players had to have 3 years of college.

Anyone who saw Moss in the years before he arrived in the NFL knew his prime was being wasted by college.

Terrell Owens did absolutely nothing in college until his senior year while he played for the Chattanooga Mocking Birds.

Jerry Rice didn't start turning it on in college until his Junior while playing in a very pass happy offense at Mississippi Valley State.

When Moss was at Marshall, he was recognized as the best player in all of college football at any position before his 2nd season.

The most reputable scouts awarded him that honor ... even Sports Illustrated called him the nations best player at any position going into his sophomore year.

The Moss who played at Marshall was a MUCH better athlete and had much greater leaping ability than the Moss who caught 23 TD's on that 16-0 Patriots team in 2007. He didn't play a single snap of pre-season that year and was coming off of a dud year in Oakland where he had hamstring issues.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 forty yard dash at the combine -- he didn't win with speed or size. Moss won with speed, size, body control, leaping ability, and incredible hands ... do you think he had more of those qualities at age 20 or age 30?

He had more speed at age 20, but he didn't have Brady throwing him the ball until he was 30. Brady got hurt in his 2nd season. So Moss was over 32 years old by the time he got his second season with Brady started.

From age 31 onward -- of course Rice is going to be a much better WR. His entire game wasn't based around his speed.

You've repeated most of this stuff like a dozen times man. Doesn't change my opinion. I don't care what Moss did at Marshall.

IMO, as an NFL receiver Rice is the best. Moss is top 3 or 4.

[Calzone Lord]

I think if you had to rank them on statistical production during their time in the NFL, of course Rice is #1.

It's a lot more tricky than trying to rank horses though. With horses, you're just looking at races.

With football players, it's an 11-on-11 game with 3 phases and many dozens of plays a game.

The championship thing is nonsense. Moss is probably going to win this year ... and he's basically been brought in to sit in the front row and get Crabtree and Vernon Davis to pay attention in meetings. Guys like Kapernick and Lamichael James have also gravitated to him and they talk about him like he is a God.

Harbaugh did with Randy Moss what Pittsburgh Phil would try to do with horses in his stable ... bring in a pet chicken, or pet dog, or pet rabbit to keep his horses happy during training and racing time.

2013 Randy Moss = Pittsburgh Phil's pet rooster.

[Dahoss]

I don't want you to think I don't think highly of Moss, because I do. Obviously I like messing with you about him...but the guy is great. It isn't easy to rate players and maybe I'm a little biased because I grew up watching Rice as a kid and was in awe of his ability.

It's just that when so many former players talk about how difficult it was to cover Rice and how great he was...it has to mean something.

[declansharbor]

How a reciever who had a huge propensity to take multiple plays "off" per game could even be mentioned in the same breath as Rice is mind boggling! Jerry ran crisp routes while Randy only ran deep ones (when he wanted to). Those who think Moss is the best ever are akin to me thinking Rockport Harbor was the best 2 yr old of his class, letting fandom completely mask us from the truth.

[Calzone Lord]

It's not ridiculous.

Moss was voted the 2nd best NFL WR of all-time by a panel of famous former players and GM's.

He said "I think I am the greatest WR ever to play this game" -- which is a little different than saying "I think I am the greatest NFL WR of all-time"

Moss was the #1 player in the country at ANY position coming out of high school. He's obviously light years the best college WR of all-time. 54 touchdowns in 2 seasons with 2 different QB's playing in a run first offense.

Anyone who didn't regularly watch Moss play in his early years in Minnesota shouldn't talk.