Moss calls him the best WR ever at Super Bowl press confrence

[NTamm1215]

Moss has had 6 of the greatest seasons of any wide receiver in the history of football. That does not make him the greatest wide receiver ever. He had an enormous impact on the game and his talent is unmatched. But, Rice is the greatest ever in my opinion.

Rice had 60+ catch season from Jeff Garcia and 1000+ yard seasons with Rich Gannon. He was remarkably consistent throughout his career, something Randy Moss has not been.

DrugS once compared Moss to Discreet Cat. A truly freakish talent that was unstoppable when on his game. But, he could not be counted on long term. It's a terrific comparison.

If I were Rice, I wouldn't have even dignified it with a response.

[Calzone Lord]

Precociousness was a big part of that comparison -- Discreet Cat ran a faster number in his debut than Lost in the Fog did while winning the King's Bishop on the same card. In terms of comparing careers ... Discreet Cat obviously isn't a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, Moss is.

A point that hasn't been touched upon -- Randy Moss was recently voted as the player who had the best rookie season in NFL history at ANY POSITION, not just WR. In other words, he is the most outstanding rookie in NFL history.

#1 rookie season of all-time clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkex_soikf0

Remember, you have to be in college 3 seasons before you're eligible to play in the NFL.

There are reputable scouts who say Randy Moss almost certainly would have been a high quality NFL starter when he was a junior in high school. All of his measurables were there at that age and he is regarded as the consensus best high school football player in history at any position by the most reputable old scouts alive today.

Moss went his entire college career without getting shut out a single time. That's impossible and will never happen again. Moss caught 54 TD's in his only two seasons at Marshall. Rice got just 9 TD's in his first two seasons at Mississippi Valley State.

Moss fell in the draft to late 1st round because he was arrested 3 times before he ever played a snap in the NFL. He severed a jail stint. And he had scholarships revoked at Notre Dame and FSU before ever playing a snap there. He also refused to go to the NFL combine in Indy because he had already made a dentist appointment to get braces that week.

If any player today had the rap sheet and blew the combine off for a dentist appt ... they simply wouldn't get drafted.

[Dahoss]

He was the consensus best HS player ever, beat up on Ball State and Kent State in college and blew off the combine to get braces?

Nevermind what Rice did on the field in the NFL. Moss is the best.

[Calzone Lord]

Warren Sapp, Deion Sanders, Michael Irvin, and Brian Billick's take on this topic:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ace-in-history

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He was the consensus best HS player ever, beat up on Ball State and Kent State in college and blew off the combine to get braces?

Nevermind what Rice did on the field in the NFL. Moss is the best.

Moss (like all players) was denied an opportunity to be allowed to play in the NFL in his prime because of the rule that players had to have 3 years of college.

Anyone who saw Moss in the years before he arrived in the NFL knew his prime was being wasted by college.

Terrell Owens did absolutely nothing in college until his senior year while he played for the Chattanooga Mocking Birds.

Jerry Rice didn't start turning it on in college until his Junior while playing in a very pass happy offense at Mississippi Valley State.

When Moss was at Marshall, he was recognized as the best player in all of college football at any position before his 2nd season.

The most reputable scouts awarded him that honor ... even Sports Illustrated called him the nations best player at any position going into his sophomore year.

The Moss who played at Marshall was a MUCH better athlete and had much greater leaping ability than the Moss who caught 23 TD's on that 16-0 Patriots team in 2007. He didn't play a single snap of pre-season that year and was coming off of a dud year in Oakland where he had hamstring issues.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 forty yard dash at the combine -- he didn't win with speed or size. Moss won with speed, size, body control, leaping ability, and incredible hands ... do you think he had more of those qualities at age 20 or age 30?

He had more speed at age 20, but he didn't have Brady throwing him the ball until he was 30. Brady got hurt in his 2nd season. So Moss was over 32 years old by the time he got his second season with Brady started.

From age 31 onward -- of course Rice is going to be a much better WR. His entire game wasn't based around his speed.

[Calzone Lord]

Here was an interesting quote about Moss from his rookie season:

“When I think of Randy Moss, I just think . . . Wow. Our second Super Bowl year in Denver was his first year in Minnesota back in 1997. We were set to play the Jets in the AFC Championship Game, but really, we were already thinking about having to face Randy in the Super Bowl. We were horrified of that dude. Horrified. We had Ray Crockett and Darrien Gordon as our cornerbacks. Randy was 6-foot-4. They were 5-7. And he was a hell of a lot faster than both of them. We all knew we had no chance at stopping him if we’d played him in the Super Bowl that year. None. We had the late game on that Championship Game weekend. Once they lost — somehow — to the Falcons, we knew we were winning the Super Bowl that year. We didn’t have to face Randy Moss. The rest was easy. That was that. He scared the hell out of us.“

— Trevor Pryce, Denver Broncos,

Eddie George...

“In 2002, we played him and the Vikings up in the Metrodome, and I’ll never forget this. He took a wide receiver screen — a 2-yard pass at the line of scrimmage — and he smoked the fastest player on our team, Samari Rolle, for a 60-yard touchdown. I’d never seen anything like it. He caught a screen pass, and then, on a dead sprint — just burned right past our fastest guy. “

— Eddie George, former NFL player

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Moss (like all players) was denied an opportunity to be allowed to play in the NFL in his prime because of the rule that players had to have 3 years of college.

Anyone who saw Moss in the years before he arrived in the NFL knew his prime was being wasted by college.

Terrell Owens did absolutely nothing in college until his senior year while he played for the Chattanooga Mocking Birds.

Jerry Rice didn't start turning it on in college until his Junior while playing in a very pass happy offense at Mississippi Valley State.

When Moss was at Marshall, he was recognized as the best player in all of college football at any position before his 2nd season.

The most reputable scouts awarded him that honor ... even Sports Illustrated called him the nations best player at any position going into his sophomore year.

The Moss who played at Marshall was a MUCH better athlete and had much greater leaping ability than the Moss who caught 23 TD's on that 16-0 Patriots team in 2007. He didn't play a single snap of pre-season that year and was coming off of a dud year in Oakland where he had hamstring issues.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 forty yard dash at the combine -- he didn't win with speed or size. Moss won with speed, size, body control, leaping ability, and incredible hands ... do you think he had more of those qualities at age 20 or age 30?

He had more speed at age 20, but he didn't have Brady throwing him the ball until he was 30. Brady got hurt in his 2nd season. So Moss was over 32 years old by the time he got his second season with Brady started.

From age 31 onward -- of course Rice is going to be a much better WR. His entire game wasn't based around his speed.

You've repeated most of this stuff like a dozen times man. Doesn't change my opinion. I don't care what Moss did at Marshall.

IMO, as an NFL receiver Rice is the best. Moss is top 3 or 4.

[Calzone Lord]

I think if you had to rank them on statistical production during their time in the NFL, of course Rice is #1.

It's a lot more tricky than trying to rank horses though. With horses, you're just looking at races.

With football players, it's an 11-on-11 game with 3 phases and many dozens of plays a game.

The championship thing is nonsense. Moss is probably going to win this year ... and he's basically been brought in to sit in the front row and get Crabtree and Vernon Davis to pay attention in meetings. Guys like Kapernick and Lamichael James have also gravitated to him and they talk about him like he is a God.

Harbaugh did with Randy Moss what Pittsburgh Phil would try to do with horses in his stable ... bring in a pet chicken, or pet dog, or pet rabbit to keep his horses happy during training and racing time.

2013 Randy Moss = Pittsburgh Phil's pet rooster.

[Dahoss]

I don't want you to think I don't think highly of Moss, because I do. Obviously I like messing with you about him...but the guy is great. It isn't easy to rate players and maybe I'm a little biased because I grew up watching Rice as a kid and was in awe of his ability.

It's just that when so many former players talk about how difficult it was to cover Rice and how great he was...it has to mean something.