Horrific Newtown, CT school shooting

Originally Posted by Dahoss

My reasoning isn't important...but your first argument is about people losing jobs (maybe) because a ban on semi automatic rifles (might) end gun shows? Come on, you're just giving me the conservative talking points, while talking around my points.

I realize a ban won't stop crime with semi automatic weapons. But I'm still waiting for someone...anyone to give me a reasonable explanation why they need a semi automatic weapon.

Sorry, I doubt our founding fathers could see this far into the future and thought people would have access to these kinds of guns. They realized they were imperfect, which is why we have amendments. (I stole that from the movie With Honors.)

So since I used a talking point it's o.k. to counter the libtard talking point that the founding fathers didn't have vision, didn't expect society and technology to advance, therefore the 2nd amendment is flawed.

Sure, Hossy. Which talking point is more ridiculous? Hmm?

People will lose their jobs and definitely their income will decline. That's a fact. An absolute fact backed by the law of averages. Do I need to list the reasons why? I can go balls deep on a conservative talking point if need be.

Quite frankly the assumption that our founding fathers didn't have vision and belief in progress, the same ones who crossed an ocean for the chance at freedom, is insulting to my intelligence.

For shame. You should get an autographed picture of Piers Morgan for that one.

Of course people shouldn't have big bad weapons. But real life isn't a f.ucking Disney movie and sometimes life doesn't have a happy ending...because asian massage parlors are being shut down.

[Dahoss]

So you thought our founding fathers envisioned the world as it is today? People shooting up malls and schools with semi automatic weapons? Really? They were smart, but not that smart.

Sorry, we'll just agree to disagree on this.

People will lose their jobs and income will decline if we shut tracks down (which I happen to agree with your point of view) but you are okay with that. But you're concerned about the possible income loss by gun dealers if we ban semi automatic rifles?

I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So you thought our founding fathers envisioned the world as it is today? People shooting up malls and schools with semi automatic weapons? Really? They were smart, but not that smart.

Sorry, we'll just agree to disagree on this.

People will lose their jobs and income will decline if we shut tracks down (which I happen to agree with your point of view) but you are okay with that. But you're concerned about the possible income loss by gun dealers if we ban semi automatic rifles?

I don't get it.

That's right, Piers. Move the goal post so that you're right.

You asked this...

Sorry, I doubt our founding fathers could see this far into the future and thought people would have access to these kinds of guns.

Whoa massive technological advancements of improvements in speed and capacity! A concept foreign to humans until 2012!!

Holy f.uck turds, Piers.

Let's get Nick Cage on the case. Maybe there is an asterisk that faded on the Constitution.

The state-run media at its finest. Say hello to Piers Morgan...champion of bad trolling and flawed logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9z1wfgNf9E

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Quite frankly the assumption that our founding fathers didn't have vision and belief in progress, the same ones who crossed an ocean for the chance at freedom, is insulting to my intelligence.

Just to clarify, which founding fathers do you think crossed an ocean for the chance at freedom? Alexander Hamilton was born on an island in the Caribbean, so maybe you are talking about him. The rest of the guys people usually refer to as "founding fathers" were all born in the thirteen colonies so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Of course, if you are the only one reading "a history book that isn't state run," maybe you are privy to special information that the rest of us don't have.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Just to clarify, which founding fathers do you think crossed an ocean for the chance at freedom? Alexander Hamilton was born on an island in the Caribbean, so maybe you are talking about him. The rest of the guys people usually refer to as "founding fathers" were all born in the thirteen colonies so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Of course, if you are the only one reading "a history book that isn't state run," maybe you are privy to special information that the rest of us don't have.

Oh so you assume that our founders never crossed the ocean in order to be free?

What happened to all of those trips to France? Did the founders of our country travel by dragons?

See I don't like you and you don't care for me at all. Unlike you I don't approach my ENEMY (you) playing semantics with a few lines out of many to win some e-debate.

Saul Alinsky tactics don't work on me. Get bold and challenge me like a man otherwise f. off.

Or keep poking me with a stick. I've got resources. Come at me.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Oh so you assume that our founders never crossed the ocean in order to be free?

What happened to all of those trips to France? Did the founders of our country travel by dragons?

See as.shole. I don't like you and you don't care for me at all. Unlike you I don't approach my ENEMY (you) like a fag and play semantics with a few lines out of many to win some e-debate.

Saul Alinsky tactics don't work on me, b.itch. Get bold and challenge me like a man otherwise f.uck off.

Or keep poking me with a stick. I've got resources. Come at me, libtard.

In answer to your inquiry, most of the founding fathers did travel to Europe at some point in their lives, although I don't believe George Washington ever did. I just found your post humorous because you were saying a poster was "insulting your intelligence" at the same time you were posting some ignorant stuff.
We certainly disagree on a number of topics, that's true. I believe we agree on some others. I'm fine with debating politics with you (or anyone) any time on here. The only two things that annoy me about your style is that you tend to fly into wild overreaction about stuff and you seem to get really hostile when its pretty unwarranted.

"Get bold and challenge me like a man."
Ummm....we're in a discussion on the politics page of a horse racing forum. Its probably not that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by miraja2

In answer to your inquiry, most of the founding fathers did travel to Europe at some point in their lives, although I don't believe George Washington ever did. I just found your post humorous because you were saying a poster was "insulting your intelligence" at the same time you were posting some ignorant stuff.
We certainly disagree on a number of topics, that's true. I believe we agree on some others. I'm fine with debating politics with you (or anyone) any time on here. The only two things that annoy me about your style is that you tend to fly into wild overreaction about stuff and you seem to get really hostile when its pretty unwarranted.

"Get bold and challenge me like a man."
Ummm....we're in a discussion on the politics page of a horse racing forum. Its probably not that big of a deal.

Don't even try it.
Man up and mention the other ignorant things I said. Why not address all of them?

I SEE THROUGH YOU. You are the hostile person. Passive-aggressive behavior is bookmarked on your browser.

I'm not wrong about people. Look what happened to Riot. You have always been on my radar because of your posting style. You're a snippy little progressive loser who hides behind fake manners.

If we ever wake up as a populace these progressives with their snipping powers on forums will come to an abrupt end.

No one likes a person who crowbars back into a debate by taking one paragraph out of context to prove someone is wrong. Especially when they're the enemy.

Do you like being a traitor and enemy to the country you live in? Because since you play semantics then I'll play. That's what you are. It's time to stop being nice to the ENEMY.

You are the one calling for fundamental change to our constitution. Therefore, you have the motherfu.cking problem. If you don't like it then move to a country with stricter gun laws.

Stop making my fellow Americans criminals. Stop taking their livelihoods away, ENEMY.

It's not my fault most people are too stupid or scared to call it like it is.

LEAVE THIS COUNTRY NOW.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You have always been on my radar because of your posting style.

Cool

[SOREHOOF]

A lot of people on here know nothing about guns. That is obvious. There is a world of difference between an automatic firearm ( banned since the 1930's. available only with an extremely expensive Federal license that is extremely hard to obtain even with the cleanest background and a very convincing reason to need one, not to mention the firearm itself being extremely expensive and not easy to obtain,or on the black market where people don't generally check the local laws), and a semi-automatic firearm. There seems to be a lot of disinformation about gun shows also, many thanks to the state run media and ignorant or lying politicians. A background check is required at a gun show when the seller is not a private citizen. Most of the people selling guns at shows own stores or are licensed dealers who do require background checks. The term assault weapon was hijacked by anti-2nd Amendment politicians who wanted maximum fear factor. A true assault weapon would be fully automatic. The people of America are so easily duped it makes me sick.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

A lot of people on here know nothing about guns. That is obvious. There is a world of difference between an automatic firearm ( banned since the 1930's. available only with an extremely expensive Federal license that is extremely hard to obtain even with the cleanest background and a very convincing reason to need one, not to mention the firearm itself being extremely expensive and not easy to obtain,or on the black market where people don't generally check the local laws), and a semi-automatic firearm. There seems to be a lot of disinformation about gun shows also, many thanks to the state run media and ignorant or lying politicians. A background check is required at a gun show when the seller is not a private citizen. Most of the people selling guns at shows own stores or are licensed dealers who do require background checks. The term assault weapon was hijacked by anti-2nd Amendment politicians who wanted maximum fear factor. A true assault weapon would be fully automatic. The people of America are so easily duped it makes me sick.

World of difference in that you need to pull the trigger for each shot of a semi-automatic? So you have a clip with 40 rounds, how hard is it to pull the trigger 40 times?

[Rudeboyelvis]

FYI - a clip is what rounds of ammunition are shipped on for quick loading into a magazine. Guns don't have clips; they have magazines.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by jms62

World of difference in that you need to pull the trigger for each shot of a semi-automatic? So you have a clip with 40 rounds, how hard is it to pull the trigger 40 times?

If you could pull the trigger 400 times a minute there wouldn't be much difference.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

A lot of people on here know nothing about guns. That is obvious. There is a world of difference between an automatic firearm ( banned since the 1930's. available only with an extremely expensive Federal license that is extremely hard to obtain even with the cleanest background and a very convincing reason to need one, not to mention the firearm itself being extremely expensive and not easy to obtain,or on the black market where people don't generally check the local laws), and a semi-automatic firearm. There seems to be a lot of disinformation about gun shows also, many thanks to the state run media and ignorant or lying politicians. A background check is required at a gun show when the seller is not a private citizen. Most of the people selling guns at shows own stores or are licensed dealers who do require background checks. The term assault weapon was hijacked by anti-2nd Amendment politicians who wanted maximum fear factor. A true assault weapon would be fully automatic. The people of America are so easily duped it makes me sick.

An automatic weapon is a firearm that reloads itself and keeps firing until the trigger is released..Is that correct?..Is an assault weapon auto or semi or both?..

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by bigrun

An automatic weapon is a firearm that reloads itself and keeps firing until the trigger is released..Is that correct?..Is an assault weapon auto or semi or both?..

To the anti-gun politician an "assault weapon" is anything with a pistol grip including pistols. Some would include pump action shotguns. A true assault weapon , in this day and age, would be full auto or able to fire in 3 or 5 round bursts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=JV3KYBS64R8

Is this guy really the medical examiner?


Now it could be grieving, shock, whatever. Who grieves like that?

It looks like they got this guy out of an insane asylum.