Horrific Newtown, CT school shooting

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

I believe it should be a lot harder, if not impossible, for any whackjob like that nut to get any firearm. But making the whole process harder for everybody is not something that I would support.

Do you mean all semi-automatic weapons or specifically semi-automatic rifles with a high firing rate? The reason I ask is that technically every firearm made today, except for revolvers, are semi-automatic, including the majority of 9mm handguns, and any handgun that has a magazine in the handle.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I believe it should be a lot harder, if not impossible, for any whackjob like that nut to get any firearm. But making the whole process harder for everybody is not something that I would support.

Do you mean all semi-automatic weapons or specifically semi-automatic rifles with a high firing rate? The reason I ask is that technically every firearm made today, except for revolvers, are semi-automatic, including the majority of 9mm handguns, and any handgun that has a magazine in the handle.

You know what I am saying. With a high firing rate.

[Danzig]

i think all private sales of guns should be halted, immediately.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think all private sales of guns should be halted, immediately.

That would not have prevented this nut from stealing his mother's guns (after killing her with same).

If the goal is really to make laws in response to this incident, that doesn't fit.

[joeydb]

What occurred to me was that this guy probably couldn't even have bought a gun had he chosen to do so.

But, to be sure, if he had committed a felony or was registered as psychotic, the computer check would have flagged him.

We already have this kind of computer check in place (which I was in favor of). We already register the guns when bought. We ought to be tracking the crazy people as well as we do the guns.

Then all you have to do is make sure that if you're on the crazy list, you don't get on the gun owner list. Like the lists they have at the airport to make sure suspected terrorists don't get airline tickets.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

That would not have prevented this nut from stealing his mother's guns (after killing her with same).

If the goal is really to make laws in response to this incident, that doesn't fit.

my point is that everyone should have to go to a licensed dealer, and have everything checked out.
would it have applied in this case? maybe, maybe not. did his mother buy all her weapons from a licensed dealer, and had to perform background checks? i have no idea. but i do know that people buy and sell guns privately every day. how else would felons be in possession? and that happens, a lot.
there is far more at issue than this one mass shooting.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You know what I am saying. With a high firing rate.

That's what I figured - just asking. Some of the reporters in coverage I have seen over the last couple of days have been generalizing to "semi-automatic" as if that always meant M-16 or AK-47.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

We can't prevent a psycho from doing something psychotic unfortunately. But I don't understand the need for civilians to possess semi automatic weapons.

I think it should be a lot harder for people to obtain guns. I know what the 2nd amendment says, but maybe we need to look into this more. Clearly, this monster had serious issues. His mother was a doomsday prepper so I think we can assume she was pretty nutty as well.

How was she able to obtain the kind of weapons she did, and why did she think it was a good idea to teach her clearly troubled son how to shoot?

i know that if a psycho is hell bent on doing something, he's going to do it. it's too bad that in this case, his parent also seemed to be a loony. i haven't bought a gun in forever, i don't even know what all you have to fill out to purchase one.
as for the school...i have to think all schools must do something in regards to having all access blocked during the day. in a former job, i had to go into schools. i'd say i went into a variety of schools dozens of times, and not once did anyone ever question why i was there. that needs to change. they said lanza broke a window to gain access to the school. i think all admins need to take a look at their buildings and do what's needed to bar access to every person who might want to get in and do harm. businesses are taking more steps every day, whether it's key pads on doors, gates, cameras, etc.

but yeah, we don't have the capacity to stop every thing that could possibly happen...and that is what frustrates people the most. life is random, evil is as well. hopefully more people will be more willing to step up and say 'hey, this guy needs help'.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know that if a psycho is hell bent on doing something, he's going to do it. it's too bad that in this case, his parent also seemed to be a loony. i haven't bought a gun in forever, i don't even know what all you have to fill out to purchase one.
as for the school...i have to think all schools must do something in regards to having all access blocked during the day. in a former job, i had to go into schools. i'd say i went into a variety of schools dozens of times, and not once did anyone ever question why i was there. that needs to change. they said lanza broke a window to gain access to the school. i think all admins need to take a look at their buildings and do what's needed to bar access to every person who might want to get in and do harm. businesses are taking more steps every day, whether it's key pads on doors, gates, cameras, etc.

but yeah, we don't have the capacity to stop every thing that could possibly happen...and that is what frustrates people the most. life is random, evil is as well. hopefully more people will be more willing to step up and say 'hey, this guy needs help'.

Unfortunately the media has been their usual irresponsible selves, so I'm not really sure if he broke a window, or shot through the locked doors as I had read.

But yeah, having access into schools should be something to look at. But then when you look at the movie theatre shooting and the mall shootings...obviously that doesn't work.

Stricter gun control laws would though. No reason for anyone not in the military to have access to some of these weapons, IMO.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-inspi...144009286.html


heard part of obama's speech last night. so, how do we proceed? no one wants another of these mass killings to occur, so how do we prevent them? can we?

Absolutely nobody wants another incident like that. There is universal agreement of course.

The challenge is finding out if there is anything we can do, what should be done, while not taking freedoms away from the 99.999% of law-abiding citizens in this country.

Some have suggested stationing police at the schools - though not necessarily on open patrol. For instance, who was monitoring the cameras at Sandy Hook? If it was a cop, that guy wouldn't have gotten to far in the school - the cop is already on site and ready to respond. Much like the guys at NORAD on duty, without a missile launch it'd be a pretty boring job, but somebody needs to be there if the worst happens.

The really big thing is we have (thank God) a pretty free society. Unfortunately that means that criminals will always have the initiative. Outside of totalitarianism based on 24/7 surveillance, I don't know how you change that. The criminal is the one who decides when and how to initiate any crime.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._suggests.html

an interesting article about violence in the united states over the decades.