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Old 12-13-2012, 01:32 PM
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You are very much every thing the right wing is about. Contradiction. As far as do I think there should be more or less regulations, I am not a hunter so I am not the person to ask. That question would best be answered by Clip as he is a hunter. My gut is that those involved in conservation in this country take it very seriously and the regulations in place work.
I don't contradict myself at all. I think there should be strong regulation on activities that affect other people. There should be no regulation on things that don't affect other people. I should be able to do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. If I'm blasting my music and disturbing other people, that is a different story.

As I said in a previous post, I should not be able to go to a park and chop down a giant tree because it is not my tree and some people may like that tree. I would say the same thing for shooting an animal. If you have a situation where a herd of animals absolutely has to be trimmed for their own good, then hunting may be ok, if there is no reasonable alternative (such as relocating the animals).
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:03 PM
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In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:09 PM
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In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?
Government and then blame it on Obama. Also good luck trapping these guys. I say relocate them to someones refrigerator.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:12 PM
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In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.
When people live in areas inhabited by animals, that is going to happen. What is the answer? Should we kill all the animals so that there will be no more car accidents?

Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do. I realize there are situations where a herd gets so big that something needs to be done.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:15 PM
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When people live in areas inhabited by animals, that is going to happen. What is the answer? Should we kill all the animals so that there will be no more car accidents?

Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do. I realize there are situations where a herd gets so big that something needs to be done.
We have a hunting season to cull the herd. Wild idea I know. Also I missed
"Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do." I missed that, is it in the Bill of Rights or was it an Amendment? You are silly.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:25 PM
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We have a hunting season to cull the herd. Wild idea I know. Also I missed
"Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do." I missed that, is it in the Bill of Rights or was it an Amendment? You are silly.
You think that is a controversial statement? I think practically everyone would agree that animals have just as much a right to live as we do. Animals obviously don't have the same Constitutional rights as humans, but they still have a right to inhabit the earth.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:31 PM
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You think that is a controversial statement? I think practically everyone would agree that animals have just as much a right to live as we do. Animals obviously don't have the same Constitutional rights as humans, but they still have a right to inhabit the earth.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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You think that is a controversial statement? I think practically everyone would agree that animals have just as much a right to live as we do. Animals obviously don't have the same Constitutional rights as humans, but they still have a right to inhabit the earth.
Are you a vegan, Rupert?
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Are you a vagrant, Rupert?
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:06 PM
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Are you a vegan, Rupert?
I have a mainly vegetarian diet but I am not a vegan. If you are a vegan, you need to take Vitamin B12 supplements. That fact alone makes me think that we are not meant to be total vegans. If you eat a ton of meat, you will end up with blocked arteries. That tells me that we are not meant to eat a lot of meat.

I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. I have fish a few times a week. I eat chicken a few times a month. I eat red meat once every month or two.

In another thread a couple of months back, we were talking about how much healthier grass-fed beef is. I finally tried grass-fed beef for the first time last week. I thought it was great. I think it is worth the extra money, both in terms of taste and health benefits.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:32 PM
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When people live in areas inhabited by animals, that is going to happen. What is the answer? Should we kill all the animals so that there will be no more car accidents?

Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do. I realize there are situations where a herd gets so big that something needs to be done.
I believe in survival of the fittest. I also think that people should not slaughter animals without reason. Many animal or rodent populations need trimmed for the betterment of society, I have no issue with this if it's done correctly.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:53 PM
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I believe in survival of the fittest. I also think that people should not slaughter animals without reason. Many animal or rodent populations need trimmed for the betterment of society, I have no issue with this if it's done correctly.
That sounds like a reasonable position. I have no problem with that.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:22 PM
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In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?
There is a possibility that hunting is the only feasible alternative in Pennsylvania. I couldn't tell you. I don't know what the situation is there. If there was a place to relocate the deer, I would say that people like JMS should pay for it. He likes the government to spend other people's money on programs they don't want. Let's see the government spend JMS' money on programs he doesn't want and let's see how he likes it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:28 PM
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There is a possibility that hunting is the only feasible alternative in Pennsylvania. I couldn't tell you. I don't know what the situation is there. If there was a place to relocate the deer, I would say that people like JMS should pay for it. He likes the government to spend other people's money on programs they don't want. Let's see the government spend JMS' money on programs he doesn't want and let's see how he likes it.
Not true. The Trillion plus dollars we spent on the war is money that I don't want the government to spend. What is funny is you don't even realize how beyond absurd a "Relocation" of deer effort sounds to anyone living in reality. Now go back and enjoy your Disney channel.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:33 PM
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Not true. The Trillion plus dollars we spent on the war is money that I don't want the government to spend. What is funny is you don't even realize how beyond absurd a "Relocation" of deer effort sounds to anyone living in reality. Now go back and enjoy your Disney channel.
I'll watch the Disney channel and you can watch the hunting channel. Is there a hunting channel?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:42 PM
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I'll watch the Disney channel and you can watch the hunting channel. Is there a hunting channel?
You are really outspoken about something that is clear to everyone you know absolutely nothing about. The industry you want to put out of existence is a 3 Billion dollar industry.
Hunters spend a lot on charities related to conservation and other animal causes. Hunting provides a major source of protein for many families trying to make ends meet during these tough times.

http://www.gohuntn.com/gohuntn/968-t...ry-gives-back/

Now about that Deer Relocation effort, I'd be curious as to the logistics?

.How would you go about trapping these deer in the many thousands of square miles they live in?

.How would you go about transporting all these deer you catch in your relocation effort?

.Where would you move these deer to?

When you move these deer what metrics would you use to determine when you will have to move them from their new overloaded home?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:55 PM
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You are really outspoken about something that is clear to everyone you know absolutely nothing about. The industry you want to put out of existence is a 3 Billion dollar industry.
Hunters spend a lot on charities related to conservation and other animal causes. Hunting provides a major source of protein for many families trying to make ends meet during these tough times.

http://www.gohuntn.com/gohuntn/968-t...ry-gives-back/

Now about that Deer Relocation effort, I'd be curious as to the logistics?

.How would you go about trapping these deer in the many thousands of square miles they live in?

.How would you go about transporting all these deer you catch in your relocation effort?

.Where would you move these deer to?

When you move these deer what metrics would you use to determine when you will have to move them from their new overloaded home?
I never said I was against people hunting for food.

With regards to relocating animals, as I said in my previous posts, I have no idea whether it would be feasible in Pennsylvania. In general, I think there are plenty of cases where it would not be feasible. But there are also cases where it is feasible. I have read about plenty of cases where wild animals were relocated. Wild mustangs have been relocated before.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:21 PM
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In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?
whitetails are incredibly adaptive animals. they thrive even in large cities. the amount of deer in this country now dwarfs the herds from colonial times. factor in that there are less and less people hunting each year, along with less predators, and more land clearing which helps the deer....it's a growing problem.

and in most, if not all states, hunters and fisherman are the ones who provide funds for game and fish, natural resources and other budgets thru license and permit fees. ridding the country of hunting and fishing would cause an already bad problem to become a lot worse.
there are towns and municipalities here and elsewhere who are having issues with wildlife and their mayhem and destruction. many places have instituted bowhunts and other hunting plans to cut back on the urban deer populations. people like wildlife until it's eating their shrubs and attacking when you're trying to get in your car.
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I don't contradict myself at all. I think there should be strong regulation on activities that affect other people. There should be no regulation on things that don't affect other people. I should be able to do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. If I'm blasting my music and disturbing other people, that is a different story.

As I said in a previous post, I should not be able to go to a park and chop down a giant tree because it is not my tree and some people may like that tree. I would say the same thing for shooting an animal. If you have a situation where a herd of animals absolutely has to be trimmed for their own good, then hunting may be ok, if there is no reasonable alternative (such as relocating the animals).
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