Why Romney was blindsided by his loss, and why he lost

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you realize that Grover Norquist created his "no taxes" pledge when he was 12 years old?

That's right - we have a whole bunch of politicians who declare fealty to an unelected 12-year-old's tax plan.

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

[Riot]

How about the fact that the evil 47% Romney talks about, the "takers and moochers" that some on the right demonize, are in reality primarily white poor in overwhelmingly white, Southern states?

Yes, that's right: the greatest "takers" of government "welfare", of food stamps, welfare, cell phones and free government programs are white southerners in poor red states like Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc.

But that didn't stop the dog whistles.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

Agreed. I can't believe they say that shi.at publicly and hope to get re-elected.

Well, at least many of them were sent home this cycle.

[Danzig]

On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher

I think statisticbrain misrepresents the stats. The 38.8 percent and 39.8 percent numbers are figures for poor single mothers receiving AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) assistance. Welfare in general is 61 percent white, 33 percent black.

Social Security, including disability payments, interestingly, is 88.7 white and 9.6 percent black.

The article has a lot more specifics. I don't know this blog at all, but the article seems pretty legit.

http://theobamacrat.com/2012/01/05/w...more-benefits/

[Danzig]

Had never heard of staticbrain actually. So that link was a first.
Thanks for letting me know it wasnt telling the whole story.
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Had never heard of staticbrain actually. So that link was a first.
Thanks for letting me know it wasnt telling the whole story.
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.

Oh, no worries. I often find I have to check things I find against another site and half the time I find they contradict each other. So much information out there!

The article I linked to goes into why SS is so skewed. It's an interesting read. I mean, the writer clearly has an agenda, but the stats seem to stand up to scrutiny, so I can read that and tune out the polemics, as it were.

^^^^ An obvious Hitchens wannabe.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Oh, no worries. I often find I have to check things I find against another site and half the time I find they contradict each other. So much information out there!

The article I linked to goes into why SS is so skewed. It's an interesting read. I mean, the writer clearly has an agenda, but the stats seem to stand up to scrutiny, so I can read that and tune out the polemics, as it were.

read the article, interesting points made. and i didn't know that the life expectancy differed due to race.
the only part of ss i ever get steamed about are when i know people who are getting disability, and shouldn't be. i have a brother and sister who both 'work the system'.
my sisters disability? stress.
my brother hurt his back on the job. they offered him a desk job, he said he can't sit for very long. too painful. but he sure can sit and play world of warcraft day and night. loser.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.

Be cause of population percentages break down by race. Especially when you think of when the people who are now old enough to collect SS were born.

Seems about right.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

I cannot believe how many signed that pledge...and its completely counter to what much of the electorate thinks on the subject.
Its very hard to exhibit a desire to compromise when you have a majority of a group signing something like that. Limits what can be put on the table...