Why Romney was blindsided by his loss, and why he lost

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, now we have the real reason why romney lost. not because of taxes, spending, the 47%. grover norquist gives an oh so eloquent explanation:


"The president was committed; elected on the basis that he was not Romney and Romney was a poopy head "



http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...oppy_head.html


grover norquist has so much pull that most republicans have signed his pledge. and he used the words 'poopy head'?!?!

now we know why, not only romney lost, but why the repubs are in such bad shape. it's because this guy is one of their leaders.

anyone that signs a pledge dictating how they will act regardless of circumstances has abdicated their responsibility as a legislator and has no business in any legislative body.

that said, norquist has long been a voice of reason in the conservative movement on immigration reform. i'm torn between his long term efforts to "stangle government in it's cradle" and his being one of the few thoughtful conservative voices on immigration BEFORE the election.

i see that sean hannity's position suddenly "evolved" after 11-6 and he now supports comprehensive immigration reform that would include a path to citizenship. he joins other's who now at least talk as if they've figured out that driving 70% of hispanic voters into the democratic column isn't a sustainable path for republican's.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

anyone that signs a pledge dictating how they will act regardless of circumstances has abdicated their responsibility as a legislator and has no business in any legislative body.

that said, norquist has long been a voice of reason in the conservative movement on immigration reform. i'm torn between his long term efforts to "stangle government in it's cradle" and his being one of the few thoughtful conservative voices on immigration BEFORE the election.

i see that sean hannity's position suddenly "evolved" after 11-6 and he now supports comprehensive immigration reform that would include a path to citizenship. he joins other's who now at least talk as if they've figured out that driving 70% of hispanic voters into the democratic column isn't a sustainable path for republican's.

Oh my, off the reservation...soon as Roger Ailes hears that Hannity will join Glenn Beck wherever he is..

[Riot]

Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country (for 1% of the overall vote).

Obama's win was a landslide, Romney got less than 48% of the vote. Romney got less votes than Kerry did losing to Bush in 2004.

Blacks are only about 11-15% of voters. Yes, Obama won blacks. And every other demographic except old white men. But Obama won plenty of white men.

Obama won among the largest demographic group of all, who came out in record numbers: women. Even Republican women.

The Republican party, via Romney, told 47% of the country that they wouldn't take responsibility for their lives and are moochers - and to stand by that statement, to blame that for his electoral loss - well, keep doing that and continue Republican irrelevancy forever.

Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country (for 1% of the overall vote).

Obama's win was a landslide, Romney got less than 48% of the vote. Romney got less votes than Kerry did losing to Bush in 2004.

Blacks are only about 11-15% of voters. Yes, Obama won blacks. And every other demographic except old white men. But Obama won plenty of white men.

Obama won among the largest demographic group of all, who came out in record numbers: women. Even Republican women.

The Republican party, via Romney, told 47% of the country that they wouldn't take responsibility for their lives and are moochers - and to stand by that statement, to blame that for his electoral loss - well, keep doing that and continue Republican irrelevancy forever.

Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

"Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country"

and yet republicans will continue to fall on the sword to protect those same people (at least 50% of whom voted democratic) from paying a marginally higher income tax rate.

it's a head scratcher.

[ntheiroff]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

"Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country"

and yet republicans will continue to fall on the sword to protect those same people (at least 50% of whom voted democratic) from paying a marginally higher income tax rate.

it's a head scratcher.

If I am not mistaken, 5 or 6 of these counties are in Md and/or Va adjacent to Washington DC, inhabited by government workers. More "Free Stuff."

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by ntheiroff

If I am not mistaken, 5 or 6 of these counties are in Md and/or Va adjacent to Washington DC, inhabited by government workers. More "Free Stuff."

two. fairfax and louden county are in nova. you'll have to come up with another excuse for the other six.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...154837437.html

and since the "free stuff" meme worked out so well, you should definetly keep pounding away at that winner.

[Danzig]

government workers= free stuff?
wow, i'll let my son, a sailor, know that he's not actually earning any of his benefits or pay.

by the by, most govt workers can't afford posh digs.

[docicu3]

Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

Add a perfectly timed hurricane that presented the ideal opportunity for the "Big O" to appear effective and concerned about those harmed and suffering.....with a dose of paranoia to "ration the fuel" of a conspiracy about election fraud in swing states due to software designed and owned by a Romney company to recreate the hanging chad phenomena by ignoring votes of certain candidates, so that the undecided, who are really the champion procrastinators of the voting world with the effect of a popular fat guy Gov. from Jersey focusing the media on what the Big "O" got right rather than a 4 star General CIA director trying to outkick his coverage and we have enough of a bump and grind for "four more years"........timing my friends is still everything in life!!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

Add a perfectly timed hurricane that presented the ideal opportunity for the "Big O" to appear effective and concerned about those harmed and suffering.....with a dose of paranoia to "ration the fuel" of a conspiracy about election fraud in swing states due to software designed and owned by a Romney company to recreate the hanging chad phenomena by ignoring votes of certain candidates, so that the undecided, who are really the champion procrastinators of the voting world with the effect of a popular fat guy Gov. from Jersey focusing the media on what the Big "O" got right rather than a 4 star General CIA director trying to outkick his coverage and we have enough of a bump and grind for "four more years"........timing my friends is still everything in life!!

FTFY

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by bigrun

FTFY

Thank You.....my bad!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

anyone that signs a pledge dictating how they will act regardless of circumstances has abdicated their responsibility as a legislator and has no business in any legislative body.

Did you realize that Grover Norquist created his "no taxes" pledge when he was 12 years old?

That's right - we have a whole bunch of politicians who declare fealty to an unelected 12-year-old's tax plan.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you realize that Grover Norquist created his "no taxes" pledge when he was 12 years old?

That's right - we have a whole bunch of politicians who declare fealty to an unelected 12-year-old's tax plan.

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

[Riot]

How about the fact that the evil 47% Romney talks about, the "takers and moochers" that some on the right demonize, are in reality primarily white poor in overwhelmingly white, Southern states?

Yes, that's right: the greatest "takers" of government "welfare", of food stamps, welfare, cell phones and free government programs are white southerners in poor red states like Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc.

But that didn't stop the dog whistles.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

Agreed. I can't believe they say that shi.at publicly and hope to get re-elected.

Well, at least many of them were sent home this cycle.

[Danzig]

On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher

I think statisticbrain misrepresents the stats. The 38.8 percent and 39.8 percent numbers are figures for poor single mothers receiving AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) assistance. Welfare in general is 61 percent white, 33 percent black.

Social Security, including disability payments, interestingly, is 88.7 white and 9.6 percent black.

The article has a lot more specifics. I don't know this blog at all, but the article seems pretty legit.

http://theobamacrat.com/2012/01/05/w...more-benefits/

[Danzig]

Had never heard of staticbrain actually. So that link was a first.
Thanks for letting me know it wasnt telling the whole story.
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

I cannot believe how many signed that pledge...and its completely counter to what much of the electorate thinks on the subject.
Its very hard to exhibit a desire to compromise when you have a majority of a group signing something like that. Limits what can be put on the table...