How Selfish Can Omama Be

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

In the biography that accompanied Obama's book, it said he was born in Kenya. That biography was written by Obama's literary agent. You mentioned being gullible. You would have to be pretty gullible to believe that Obama's literary agency just made the whole thing up.

According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...6#.UEo-ILJlTE5

That's right. The typo on a media handout - not the biography of the actual book - that was disallowed publicly by the publisher was really a secret plot, and the birth announcements in the Hawaiian news papers were telegraphed from Kenya.

If you are a birther, you are a delusional, gullible, loony conspiracy theorist. Period.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's right. The typo on a media handout - not the biography of the actual book - that was disallowed publicly by the publisher was really a secret plot, and the birth announcements in the Hawaiian news papers were telegraphed from Kenya.

If you are a birther, you are a delusional, gullible, loony conspiracy theorist. Period.

A birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper is not evidence of anything. If your parents were going to announce the birth of your child in the newspaper, would they cancel the announcement if you gave birth overseas? I have never understood that argument. Obama's mom lived in Hawaii. She was pregnant in Hawaii. If she did in fact go to Kenya to be with Barack's father for the delivery, why would her parents not post news of the birth in the newspaper? Maybe Barack was born in Hawaii, but the newspaper announcement is not evidence of anything, one way or the other.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

A birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper is not evidence of anything. If your parents were going to announce the birth of your child in the newspaper, would they cancel the announcement if you gave birth overseas? I have never understood that argument. Obama's mom lived in Hawaii. She was pregnant in Hawaii. If she did in fact go to Kenya to be with Barack's father for the delivery, why would her parents not post news of the birth in the newspaper? Maybe Barack was born in Hawaii, but the newspaper announcement is not evidence of anything, one way or the other.

Anybody who is a "birther is a delusional conspiracy loon

And I personally am convinced beyond a doubt that all birthers are racists. They are convinced this President, who was vetted by the US government before he could run for president, isn't an American. Yet they don't demand any white candidates birth certificate. Loony racism.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

A birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper is not evidence of anything. If your parents were going to announce the birth of your child in the newspaper, would they cancel the announcement if you gave birth overseas? I have never understood that argument. Obama's mom lived in Hawaii. She was pregnant in Hawaii. If she did in fact go to Kenya to be with Barack's father for the delivery, why would her parents not post news of the birth in the newspaper? Maybe Barack was born in Hawaii, but the newspaper announcement is not evidence of anything, one way or the other.

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

[Antitrust32]

what an incredible thread.

its kind of sad what we argue about close to election time. A bet from The Don to the President of the USA.

i wish a third party had a chance

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

i can't believe this is still brought up as a legitimate point of contention. with the untold mound of money available to the republican party, does anyone really think that this nonstory hasn't already been investigated? if there was a shot in hell that obama was indeed 'not a citizen' (which is absurd) i am absolutely positive that the republican national party would have already had a huge announcement long before now.
election day can't get here soon enough. i'm sick of the whole sordid mess.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can't believe this is still brought up as a legitimate point of contention. with the untold mound of money available to the republican party, does anyone really think that this nonstory hasn't already been investigated? if there was a shot in hell that obama was indeed 'not a citizen' (which is absurd) i am absolutely positive that the republican national party would have already had a huge announcement long before now.
election day can't get here soon enough. i'm sick of the whole sordid mess.

You have plenty of company..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

Then how come John McCain and George Romney were allowed to run for President?

Neither was born in the USA. But they were born to American citizens, exactly like Obama.

So whether it is true or not, it is not some crazy theory that only a few people believe.

The only reason people believe it is that they were deliberately fed that, thanks to Sarah Palin and Fox News in 2008, and picked up by the other right wing conservative sites, and it became a self-fullfilling thing.

Nobody questioned Obama until a minor campaign aid in the Hillary campaign deliberately sent around an e-mail raising the question. Then McCain and Palin picked up on it. Of course they did - xenophobia wins!

Look at you - - there is zero that would convince you 100% that Obama is an American citizen. The birth certificate? Not good enough. The long-form birth certificate guaranteed by the GOP Governor of Hawai'i as real? Disbelieved. Questioned. The hospital announcements of the birth in the newspaper? Questioned. The people who know Obama's mother when he was born? Questioned.

People are so gullible and believe what they are told. Remember the old woman who told McCain Obama was an Arab?

And yes, this is exactly like believing in Chupacabra, BigFoot, aliens in Roswell, and 9-11 Truthers. Exactly the same thing.

Rupert: Lee Atwater. Willie Horton. Racism and xenophobia is the one reliable way to energize the Republican Party base, after southern white Democrats abandoned the Democratic party when Lyndon Johnson ensured voting rights for blacks in the 1960's, and became sudden Republicans.

It is a deliberate political strategy, and it's being used by John Sununu daily on behalf of Mitt Romney right now. McCain hated it, Palin used it against his desires. Hillary was against it, but some of her surrogates tried it on Obama. And of course the screaming monkeys of the right wing, like Hannity and Beck, just grabbed it and took off. Of course "60% of people" believe. They are gullible and they've heard it so often there must be something to it. Like Santa Clause and BigFoot.

[Riot]

Why do people believe this crazy made-up stuff? Because via the internet, they are readily fed support for their delusions (they used to have to buy pamphlets and books and it was harder for the crazies to find each other)

For example: Wikipedia:

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories—allegations that he secretly follows a non-Christian religion, or that he is the antichrist—have been suggested ever since Barack Obama began his campaign to become President of the United States in 2007. As with the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, these false claims are promoted by various fringe theorists and political opponents.[1][2]

But if you go to Conservapedia (facts the way we like 'em) you can read a xenophobes dream:

Barack Hussein Obama is possibly the first Muslim president of the United States, as illustrated by his many actions and comments both before and after taking the official (private) oath of office without using a Bible. While there is a strong political incentive for Obama to claim to be a Christian, as he has done whenever discussing his religion, all credible evidence, other than the fact that he attends a Christian church, points to Islam as his religion:

Well, other than the fact he has never, ever given any demonstration that he is Muslim. You know, all those Rev. Wright years he gets attacked for, too? Which is it? Muslim or radical Black Church Guy?

And the fact he put his hand on a bible for the oath of office.

You see, for normal people, "Muslim" is just another religion like "Catholic" or "Evangelical Christian" or "Jewish" or "Protestant". Perfectly legal and welcomed in the US, and hardly disqualifying for anything at all under our Constitution. Yes, we have Muslims in Congress, and a Muslim could certainly be President, or on the Supreme Court. Constitution, remember? Freedom of religion here?

For non-normal xenophobic haters, being Muslim is like being the devil. So other than the guy going to a Christian church for decades, saying he was born-again, attending a catholic school as a kid, getting married in a Christian church, raising his kids Christian, getting sworn in on a bible - well, it all clearly points, other than all those pesky facts, to his being ... gasp! ... Muslim!

[bigrun]

Speaking of Bigfoot...


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...hp&form=msnrll