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Old 10-25-2012, 11:39 AM
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What's Obama given you to vote for?
The survival of egalitarianism in this country.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:42 AM
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The survival of egalitarianism in this country.
A fallacy that will never happen in our lifetime under the current political structure. A carrot dangling in the wind. Just wait another 4 years...then another...then another.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:52 AM
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The survival of egalitarianism in this country.
Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

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as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:22 PM
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Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

or

as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.
See what Wikipedia has to say about Thomas Paine.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:35 PM
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See what Wikipedia has to say about Thomas Paine.
I am familiar with Thomas Paine.

Barack Obama has very little in common with him, despite all of the grandiosity in the coverage of him by the media.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:05 PM
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I am familiar with Thomas Paine.

Barack Obama has very little in common with him, despite all of the grandiosity in the coverage of him by the media.
I'm not alluding modern day politicians to Thomas Paine. My concern is with the tone and quality of the society in which we live. Though it won't make the discussion any easier, I'll leave while introducing the German/Yiddish word Menschlichkeit. It means humaneness -- caring for the impoverished and oppressed, any less fortunate than yourself. My preference in governance is for those that can at least maintain a modicum of the empathy required for it.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:10 PM
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Oh like poverty has drastically changed. Pure nonsense, Steve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...._Timeline.gif

Come on.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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Oh like poverty has drastically changed. Pure nonsense, Steve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...._Timeline.gif

Come on.
That isn't the point of contention.

It certainly can't change at all if there's an atmosphere of callous disregard for the plight of those in need. And a segment out there is actively promoting that very atmosphere.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:11 PM
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I'm not alluding modern day politicians to Thomas Paine. My concern is with the tone and quality of the society in which we live. Though it won't make the discussion any easier, I'll leave while introducing the German/Yiddish word Menschlichkeit. It means humaneness -- caring for the impoverished and oppressed, any less fortunate than yourself. My preference in governance is for those that can at least maintain a modicum of the empathy required for it.
Thanks - I understand. A good friend of mine uses that word from time to time. And I'm enjoying the discussion, though as usual I am catching some arrows from others.

But hey, like the description says, this group is where the "flame wars" thrive, so not complaining.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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in my opinion, caring for the impoverished is helping them find a job and get onto their feet... not to get on government programs like food stamps, which starts for some a continuous cycle.

food stamps and government aid do not help people get jobs and care.. no matter what Obama said in the stimulus bill.

granted, for those who are disabled, or looking for a job and need short time help for their family, those programs are okay. but in the current state, it is only helping the impoverished stay impoverished.
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:41 PM
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Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

or

as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.
you might want to study more on the second one. egalitarianism came about in france during their revolution against kings, and their supposed 'divine right'. thomas paine was instrumental in advocating that movement both here and abroad-others were as well.
you see, a decentralization of power was what our forefathers fought for eight years to gain, against the tyranny of the king (the centralized power), and against a ruling class (which caused economic equalities).
i think geo washington and the other founding fathers would be shocked that you found them socialist. of course their peers in england called them worse.

imo, romney would be less inclined toward egalitarianism than obama.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:55 AM
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:58 AM
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the one thing that keeps jumping into my head-supreme court justices. there will conceivably be a couple openings during the next term-who will be the one to decide who fills any vacancies?
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:32 PM
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Is that what has been propagated for the last four years? Certainly doesn't look or feel that way.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:01 PM
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:19 PM
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Who said our children's aren't learning..

You guys should cancel your bet with riot...




Obama wins Nickelodeon’s online ‘Kids Pick the President’ vote; kids wrong only once since ‘88.

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