13 Iowans apologize for 2008 Obama vote

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Agreed. But Joey, only about half our eligible USA voters even bother to vote. We are like 30th in voting turnout among democracies.

I can agree there. Country would be better off if everyone voted, researched thoroughly to make sure they are making their best choice, and, so there is one and only one vote per eligible person (non-felon over age of 18), they show ID at the polls.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I can agree there. Country would be better off if everyone voted, researched thoroughly to make sure they are making their best choice, and, so there is one and only one vote per eligible person (non-felon over age of 18), they show ID at the polls.

People do have to show ID at the polls, Joey, and voter fraud is rare to non-existent, cases in the few hundreds nationally over the years.

So - are you going to vote for the candidate whose policies promise to raise the debt by trillions, or the candidate who has started to cut the debt?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

People do have to show ID at the polls, Joey, and voter fraud is rare to non-existent, cases in the few hundreds nationally over the years.

So - are you going to vote for the candidate whose policies promise to raise the debt by trillions, or the candidate who has started to cut the debt?

I think I'll vote against the candidate who has already raised the debt by trillions. That probability is already 100%.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I think I'll vote against the candidate who has already raised the debt by trillions. That probability is already 100%.

Sad how many voters in the US are so factually uninformed.

You do realize that Mitt Romney's policies will immediately add $5 trillion to our debt? And you are just "hoping" that's not real?

I really am tired of paying out of my pocket for other voters ... being grossly misinformed.

PS - prove right here that Obama raised the debt by "trillions", and I'll vote for Romney. Simply list the Obama policies in the last four years, that you say have raised the debt by "trillions", with the name of the policy and the cost.

You see, truth is that Obama policies and programs over the past four years have only added just under $1 trillion to the debt. Blaming Obama for the entire previous debt of this country, it's ongoing interest, and the entire debt of the SS trust fund, is false and absurd. But that's exactly what your statement does.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sad how many voters in the US are so factually uninformed.

You do realize that Mitt Romney's policies will immediately add $5 trillion to our debt? And you are just "hoping" that's not real?

I really am tired of paying out of my pocket for other voters ... being grossly misinformed.

PS - prove right here that Obama raised the debt by "trillions", and I'll vote for Romney. Simply list the Obama policies in the last four years, that you say have raised the debt by "trillions", with the name of the policy and the cost.

You see, truth is that Obama policies and programs over the past four years have only added just under $1 trillion to the debt. Blaming Obama for the entire previous debt of this country, it's ongoing interest, and the entire debt of the SS trust fund, is false and absurd. But that's exactly what your statement does.

The deficits have exceeded $1 trillion for each of his four years, and were added to the debt. He's already killing us.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The deficits have exceeded $1 trillion for each of his four years, and were added to the debt. He's already killing us.

We are talking the debt - we are not talking the deficit. Obama has cut the deficit significantlyl, btw, and you know it.

Obama did not add $16 trillion in debt with his policies. That is not true, and that is exactly what you have blamed him for.

Obama is not responsible for causing or creating the debt that he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the ongoing interest we are paying, and the debt we are paying off, for US debt he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the debt from the Social Security trust fund, which you are saying he is, and is included in the $16 trillion. That's absurd.

Fact - Obama's policies have added just under $1 trillion to our debt.

You said, "Obama has raised the debt by trillions", and you use the figure that "the debt has raised to $16 trillion" (it hasn't, echnically, yet, by the way, that's at the end of this fiscal year) Prove it. You cannot. It's not true.

So if you want to be an informed voter, you can vote for the guy who decreased the deficit and whose policies added $1.4 trillion to our debt - or you can vote for the guy whose policies promise to add $5 trillion to our debt.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

We are talking the debt - we are not talking the deficit. Obama has cut the deficit significantlyl, btw, and you know it.

Obama did not add $16 trillion in debt with his policies. That is not true, and that is exactly what you have blamed him for.

Obama is not responsible for causing or creating the debt that he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the ongoing interest we are paying, and the debt we are paying off, for US debt he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the debt from the Social Security trust fund, which you are saying he is, and is included in the $16 trillion. That's absurd.

Fact - Obama's policies have added just under $1 trillion to our debt.

You said, "Obama has raised the debt by trillions". Prove it.

The debt went up by $5 trillion since he's been in office. That's a fact. Only $1 trillion and "change" each year (as a deficit), but it adds up.