Presidential debate tonight

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

OMG I REALLY AM GOING TO SPLIT MT SIDES FROM LAUGHING!!!

Yes, it's easy to make the above statement, and difficult to factually dispute that list. You can't do it, huh?

Tell us, Rude - what specific items on that list are you angry were accomplished, and you think are bad for America?

List them for us

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it's easy to make the above statement, and difficult to factually dispute that list. You can't do it, huh?

Tell us, Rude - what specific items on that list are you angry were accomplished, and you think are bad for America?

List them for us

How about "accomplishing" a record $16,000,000,000,000 in debt, with $1,000,000,000,000+ deficits for as far as the eye can see, assuming anyone is still stupid enough to keep lending us money we can't pay back.

Oh, yeah, what happens when they don't? Splat - there goes the whole economy and the dollar dies first.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How about "accomplishing" a record $16,000,000,000,000 in debt,

The president is not responsible for 100% of our debt and you know it.

Please - list this presidents personal contribution to our debt. Itemize, please. Fact is, this president has contributed very little to our debt, especially compared to the massive fiscal recklessness of the last 2 administrations.

with $1,000,000,000,000+ deficits for as far as the eye can see, assuming anyone is still stupid enough to keep lending us money we can't pay back.

Your hysterical hyperbole and use of excessive zeros is sad. You apparently are confusing debt with deficit - this president has cut the deficit by 3% of GDP.

And by the way? When the Bush Tax Cuts expire January 1, 2013, that alone will cause our debt to be cut in half in about 10 years.

Life in America is so much more fun in reality-land.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

The president is not responsible for 100% of our debt and you know it.

Please - list this presidents personal contribution to our debt. Itemize, please.



You apparently are confusing debt with deficit - this president has cut the deficit by 3% of GDP.

No, I'm afraid you are confusing the two. The deficit is the amount of shortfall in a year, and if that is not paid by the end of that year, the outstanding amount is added to the cumulative debt.

The 3% cut you refer to is evidently nonsense, as the deficits, however reported, are going up, not down, and are larger than GW Bush's deficits. You can't cut something by 3% and have a larger number.

Or are you going to say that the GDP itself increased in spite of the high unemployment? That would also require some explaining.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No, I'm afraid you are confusing the two. The deficit is the amount of shortfall in a year, and if that is not paid by the end of that year, the outstanding amount is added to the cumulative debt.

Yes, Joey, and this president has cut that. Annualized fiscal spending is at an all time low since Reagan.

The 3% cut you refer to is evidently nonsense,

Only when you hold your hands over your ears, squeeze your eyes shut, and hum loudly to yourself while ignoring math.

as the deficits, however reported, are going up, not down, and are larger than GW Bush's deficits.

Again: list this presidents specific contributions to our debt (because no, our deficits are not going up, they have gone down). $16 trillion you say - so you must know what part of that is Obama's. You say all of it. We know that's false. List what Obama has contributed to our debt by being unfunded and having to borrow money to pay for it.

Obamacare? Nope. Self-funded.
Continuing war in Iraq? Nope. Done.
Continuing war in Afghanistan? Bringing to a close.

So I'm puzzled, Joey - what has Obama contributed to our $16 trillion in debt? Tell me,list it, and I'll believe you.

You do realize that interest continues to add to the debt? That even if a president spent literally zero, the debt would rise? Except Obama has done things to cut our debt, and it's gone down 3% of GDP over his administration, from 10% of GDP to 7%. It needs to be down to about 3%. It's getting there. Romney would explode it back up again.

[GPK]

And to think these stupid F*cks will be actually casting votes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EohGmG-QUhA

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GPK

And to think these stupid F*cks will be actually casting votes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EohGmG-QUhA

That is awesomeness right there.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it's easy to make the above statement, and difficult to factually dispute that list. You can't do it, huh?

Tell us, Rude - what specific items on that list are you angry were accomplished, and you think are bad for America?

List them for us

When you start your list by taking full credit for extending someone else's tax plan, you come off a bit disingenuous.

then roll into how 3 QE programs "Prevented a depression"... OMG that's a classic!

Then you spew these dis-proven lies:

Lowering the deficit by 3% of GDP?
Lowering fiscal spending to a 40-year low?
Creating 5.2 million jobs in 3 years?

which you know full well the GAO has said are false -


It just get funnier and funnier.

You are a complete fraud - no wonder you're such a fan of this trainwreck!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

When you start your list by taking full credit for extending someone else's tax plan, you come off a bit disingenuous.

Nope. I am not talking about only stimulus spending, or the Bush Tax cuts - Obama passed his own tax cuts on top of that.

You don't like that? Yes or no? You are simply unawares they exist, apparently?

then roll into how 3 QE programs "Prevented a depression"... OMG that's a classic!

That's not what I said. I don't attribute QE to Obama. I am not talking about QE at all. I am talking about things Obama did.

Then you spew these dis-proven lies:

Lowering the deficit by 3% of GDP?
Lowering fiscal spending to a 40-year low?
Creating 5.2 million jobs in 3 years?

Sorry - those are not "disproven lies", those are fact, according to the CBO.

which you know full well the GAO has said are false -

No. I've never, ever seen the GAO say those are "false" - please, quote those statements here for us. You say the CBO is lying? Or has been proven false? Please, you threw the accusation out there, prove it. Should be easy for you if it's such common knowledge.

It just get funnier and funnier.

You are a complete fraud - no wonder you're such a fan of this trainwreck

Calling names as a distraction is about what you usually do - I am willing to ignore your rudeness and straw man attempt - can you go back and insert some facts into your assertions, and leave the name-calling behind? It seems, from your comments above, that you are unawares of quite a bit surrounding what has happened in this country the past 4 years.

[alysheba4]

sounds like everthing is hunky dory.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

sounds like everthing is hunky dory.

Ah, the shallow false equivalency straw man that nobody here has alleged.



Yes, this president has factually accomplished quite a bit. That drives the Obama-Derangement crew nuts.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah, the shallow false equivalency straw man that nobody here has alleged.



Yes, this president has factually accomplished quite a bit. That drives the Obama-Derangement crew nuts.

Yes drawing attention away from abject failures by calling successes and then spending 50 pages of bandwith on a horseracing board to try and convince everyone that "the sky isn't really blue" is psychotic - it isn't anything else. You don't "represent" anyone here, so it would be refreshing for you to refer to these psychotic rantings as your own.

Obama's own campaign couldn't repeat your "successes" with a straight face.

Honestly - everytime I think i'm going to vote my conscience and vote for Gary Johnson, you come around and within 2 posts push me over to Romney.

the greatest thing you could possibly do for your Fearless Leader is disappear until after the election

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Yes drawing attention away from abject failures by calling successes and then spending 50 pages of bandwith on a horseracing board to try and convince everyone that "the sky isn't really blue" is psychotic - it isn't anything else. You don't "represent" anyone here, so it would be refreshing for you to refer to these psychotic rantings as your own.

Obama's own campaign couldn't repeat your "successes" with a straight face.

the greatest thing you could possibly do for your Fearless Leader is disappear until after the election

I listed a bunch of factual accomplishments that occurred during this past administration. Those things are simply reality - independent of anybody's political wishes or inclination.

As anger and insult don't count, have yet to see anything disputing that list.

Honestly - everytime I think i'm going to vote my conscience and vote for Gary Johnson, you come around and within 2 posts push me over to Romney.

That makes zero sense You think a vote for Romney or Johnson would make any difference in assuring or denying an Obama electoral college win in any given state?

Vote your conscience. Don't vote to spite another voter. That's beyond stupid. If you are voting to defeat a particular candidate, just do so, in the best way you know how.

I am voting for Obama. Not against Romney. My last vote for Obama was a vote against Sarah Palin-John McCain. Not this time.