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Old 09-20-2012, 11:33 AM
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Exactly.

It's so simple it's stupid, but the sheep and the fringe freaks refuse to see it.

If one week I purchase something at the store for $5.00,
The following week, I get a 1.00 off coupon and pay 4.00,
The third week I don't have coupon and have to pay 5.00 again - Did the store raise the price??!!

The tax rates were what they were before the Bush plan was put in place to artificially "lower" them by borrowing money to pay for them.

They expired and should not be extended because we don't have the money for them, in fact we are 16 Trillion in debt, in part because of them.

Is that a call to raise them, or did the coupon simply expire??!!
Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:37 AM
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Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.
Then how about ending the 2 wars that cost how many Trillion already and your boy wants us to get involved with Iran too... He Haw...
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:40 AM
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Then how about ending the 2 wars that cost how many Trillion already and your boy wants us to get involved with Iran too... He Haw...
Couldn't agree with you more on that one, we should be out of Afghanistan today.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:45 AM
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Couldn't agree with you more on that one, we should be out of Afghanistan today.
And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:49 AM
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And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.
We never should have gone into Iraq, but are you saying we shouldn't have originally gone into Afghanistan?
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:57 AM
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We never should have gone into Iraq, but are you saying we shouldn't have originally gone into Afghanistan?
Yes I am. No country has ever won a war in Afghanistan in over 2000 years. Going to war in Afghanistan Bankrupt the Soviet Union. Yet we are arrogant enough to go all in thinking we would make history??? At the end of the day we got Bin Laden with a small elite force.... Wouldn't that have been a method that could be used from the get go? We went into Iraq so George Bush could show his father that he was up to the task... We went into Afghanistan as vengence for 911 when all along a small elite force was all that was needed.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:00 PM
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Yes I am. No country has ever won a war in Afghanistan in over 2000 years. Going to war in Afghanistan Bankrupt the Soviet Union. Yet we are arrogant enough to go all in thinking we would make history??? At the end of the day we got Bin Laden with a small elite force.... Wouldn't that have been a method that could be used from the get go? We went into Iraq so George Bush could show his father that he was up to the task... We went into Afghanistan as vengence for 911 when all along a small elite force was all that was needed.
I disagree with on that, we won the war, pretty easily at that, modern warfare has no relation to 2,000 years, but we should have been out of there right away.

As far as Iraq, I agree with you and I am assuming you weren't for Obama's Libya war.

But lets face it, stopping the wars would help but the real problem is entitlement spending. Ignoring it won't make the problem go away.
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Yes I am. No country has ever won a war in Afghanistan in over 2000 years. Going to war in Afghanistan Bankrupt the Soviet Union. Yet we are arrogant enough to go all in thinking we would make history??? At the end of the day we got Bin Laden with a small elite force.... Wouldn't that have been a method that could be used from the get go? We went into Iraq so George Bush could show his father that he was up to the task... We went into Afghanistan as vengence for 911 when all along a small elite force was all that was needed.
We didn't go all in, that was the issue from the beginning. Both wars were fought without a clear military objective and are therefore by definition, not winnable. It has been the problem with the strategies since WWII, not once has a clear objective been defined for our efforts in any theater, that is why we have been fighting forever and not accomplishing a thing.
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And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.
I think the issue is more complicated than this. We can debate whether we should have gotten involved in the wars in the first place and theier cost, but that is not going to change the position we are in now and we we have to go forward. We can just pull all our troops but the question that then has to be asked is what happens after that. If we just leave these countries open to be taken over by terrorists, then we are inviting an even bigger war than we are in now.

As far as Iran goes, I do not believe that Romney wants to get into a war with Iran, but that he has a fundemental difference with Obama on how to handle preventing Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. I believe that Obama has been very weak on this issue and has not done enough to stop it. Obama is coming off as a leader unwilling to use force and it seems that those with an agenda against the U.S. are starting to test him. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, we just may see a much bigger war then what we are in right now and I think Romney is more likely to take action to prevent them from getting a nuclear bomb.
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I think the issue is more complicated than this. We can debate whether we should have gotten involved in the wars in the first place and theier cost, but that is not going to change the position we are in now and we we have to go forward. We can just pull all our troops but the question that then has to be asked is what happens after that. If we just leave these countries open to be taken over by terrorists, then we are inviting an even bigger war than we are in now.

As far as Iran goes, I do not believe that Romney wants to get into a war with Iran, but that he has a fundemental difference with Obama on how to handle preventing Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. I believe that Obama has been very weak on this issue and has not done enough to stop it. Obama is coming off as a leader unwilling to use force and it seems that those with an agenda against the U.S. are starting to test him. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, we just may see a much bigger war then what we are in right now and I think Romney is more likely to take action to prevent them from getting a nuclear bomb.
I don't agree with you but I respect your position.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:21 PM
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Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.
true, spending cuts need to be done as well.

romney wants to raise defense spending, already the biggest single budget item for the fed.

did you know it takes every other country in the world added together on defense to equal our defense spending alone? and he wants to raise it. why?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:45 PM
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true, spending cuts need to be done as well.

romney wants to raise defense spending, already the biggest single budget item for the fed.

did you know it takes every other country in the world added together on defense to equal our defense spending alone? and he wants to raise it. why?
I agree Danzig cuts needs to come from everywhere including the military.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:47 PM
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I agree Danzig cuts needs to come from everywhere including the military.
then why in the world are you backing romney? he wants to grow an already costly bloated mess.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:51 PM
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then why in the world are you backing romney? he wants to grow an already costly bloated mess.
I dont agree with Romney on a lot of things, but I think Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever seen as far as threats to our liberty. I also think a corrupt stimulus, health care that majority of America didn't want that is killing job growth, enforcing business killing edicts through the EPA that he couldn't get passed in Congress, money thrown at big money donors with doomed business plans, funding corrupt public sector unions, etc. is a good way to grow an economy.

Trust me, Romney is lesser of two evils at this point. Big government has failed everywhere it has been tried, why would this country be any different?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:55 PM
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I dont agree with Romney on a lot of things, but I think Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever seen as far as threats to our liberty. I also think a corrupt stimulus, health care that majority of America didn't want that is killing job growth, enforcing business killing edicts through the EPA that he couldn't get passed in Congress, money thrown at big money donors with doomed business plans, funding corrupt public sector unions, etc. is a good way to grow an economy.

Trust me, Romney is lesser of two evils at this point. Big government has failed everywhere it has been tried, why would this country be any different?

On Aug. 31, the night after the Clint Eastwood empty-chair colloquy at the Republican Convention, Jon Stewart identified the radioactive ingredient that would provide the fuel for Mitt Romney's September meltdown.

The Republicans, he noted on The Daily Show, were suffering from "cognitive dissonance."

Like Eastwood, they were campaigning against a Barack Obama who was a figment of their imagination.

"There is a President Obama that only Republicans can see," he said. That Obama--the Muslim socialist foreigner--was "bent on our wholesale destruction."

The mad fact is, Stewart was only scratching the surface. We now know that Romney has been running not only against an imaginary President but against an imaginary electorate as well.

This is an electorate in which 47% are looking for handouts, don't pay income taxes and won't "take responsibility...for their lives."



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz2729flB89
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:58 PM
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I dont agree with Romney on a lot of things, but I think Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever seen as far as threats to our liberty. I also think a corrupt stimulus, health care that majority of America didn't want that is killing job growth, enforcing business killing edicts through the EPA that he couldn't get passed in Congress, money thrown at big money donors with doomed business plans, funding corrupt public sector unions, etc. is a good way to grow an economy.

Trust me, Romney is lesser of two evils at this point. Big government has failed everywhere it has been tried, why would this country be any different?
the first highlight-absolutely ridiculous hyperbole. the patriot act was put in before he took office. and most of the last four years are frighteningly similar to the previous eight.
and which corrupt stimulus? we've had several stimuli, not just obama's.
the healthcare-when you ask people about individual parts of that law, they like it. then when you ask them about obamacare, they don't like it. that is hilarious when you read it. and it's not what's killing job growth.
anyway, as for most of what you said, if not all, i don't know why you think things will change with romney.

he wants to spend more on defense, his tax cuts he talks about-more than one time i've seen experts say 'it will raise taxes on everyone but the rich' (what a surprise! ). and that's on the stuff they can get details on. most of his 'plans', no one has seen. and what i saw on the ryan budget-wow.

so i don't know what makes you think romney will 'be better'. he'll be different, but not better.
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the first highlight-absolutely ridiculous hyperbole. the patriot act was put in before he took office. and most of the last four years are frighteningly similar to the previous eight.
and which corrupt stimulus? we've had several stimuli, not just obama's.
the healthcare-when you ask people about individual parts of that law, they like it. then when you ask them about obamacare, they don't like it. that is hilarious when you read it. and it's not what's killing job growth.
anyway, as for most of what you said, if not all, i don't know why you think things will change with romney.

he wants to spend more on defense, his tax cuts he talks about-more than one time i've seen experts say 'it will raise taxes on everyone but the rich' (what a surprise! ). and that's on the stuff they can get details on. most of his 'plans', no one has seen. and what i saw on the ryan budget-wow.

so i don't know what makes you think romney will 'be better'. he'll be different, but not better.
How about a 1 time tax amnesty for individuals to move money from their overseas accounts to the US... Tax free of course.
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the first highlight-absolutely ridiculous hyperbole. the patriot act was put in before he took office. and most of the last four years are frighteningly similar to the previous eight.
and which corrupt stimulus? we've had several stimuli, not just obama's.
the healthcare-when you ask people about individual parts of that law, they like it. then when you ask them about obamacare, they don't like it. that is hilarious when you read it. and it's not what's killing job growth.
anyway, as for most of what you said, if not all, i don't know why you think things will change with romney.

he wants to spend more on defense, his tax cuts he talks about-more than one time i've seen experts say 'it will raise taxes on everyone but the rich' (what a surprise! ). and that's on the stuff they can get details on. most of his 'plans', no one has seen. and what i saw on the ryan budget-wow.

so i don't know what makes you think romney will 'be better'. he'll be different, but not better.
We have had stimulus before but not that big and not that corrupt. That was an $800+ billion dollar payout to the Democrats big money donors. It did NOTHING to help the economy.

Do you really think companies want to add workers now with the uncertainty of Obamacare costs?

Obama is a liar, he wants to raise taxes on any individual making $200,000 or more, which is not rich if you are living in New York.

Danzig, after Federal, state, city, local, and other taxes almost half of my paycheck goes to a corrupt government who helps themselves and their big money donor and they do not help the poor. Sorry I disagree with you, I don't want to send more money to these incompetent, corrupt morons. Do you really think they will pay down the debt with more revenue? I don't, they will just give more money to their corrupt pals who will stuff their campaign coffers in return.
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I dont agree with Romney on a lot of things, but I think Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever seen as far as threats to our liberty. I also think a corrupt stimulus, health care that majority of America didn't want that is killing job growth, enforcing business killing edicts through the EPA that he couldn't get passed in Congress, money thrown at big money donors with doomed business plans, funding corrupt public sector unions, etc. is a good way to grow an economy.

Trust me, Romney is lesser of two evils at this point. Big government has failed everywhere it has been tried, why would this country be any different?
based on what? i keep seeing this repeated, or i keep hearing it...but no one has details as to how romney would be better.

so, how would he be better? what of his plans do you agree with? how will he take care of these threats to our liberty? i already know he won't do a damned thing about big money. i know he thinks bankers should have free rein. he plans to raise taxes on most of us (the wealthy, like him, get a tax cut. again.).

what does romney plan to do that you like?
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based on what? i keep seeing this repeated, or i keep hearing it...but no one has details as to how romney would be better.

so, how would he be better? what of his plans do you agree with? how will he take care of these threats to our liberty? i already know he won't do a damned thing about big money. i know he thinks bankers should have free rein. he plans to raise taxes on most of us (the wealthy, like him, get a tax cut. again.).

what does romney plan to do that you like?
1. Put People back to work.
2. Bomb Iran into the 4th century
3. Increase our defense spending.
4. Cut taxes...

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5. Cut the debt

I need 3/4 of a bottle of Woodford in me before the above sounds logical. How can Romney supporter not see that these items affect each other. Also you can cut corporate taxes to ZERO but it will have NO MEANINGFUL AFFECT ON JOBS. This isn't 1950 where that money will be used to hire new employees. A token number will be hired but the rest of the money will go directly to the bottom line and into the pockets of the dictators that run these companies. The government needs to legislate against outsourcing. It has to eliminate the H1B program that was put in place when unemployment was 3 pct. But they won't becuase the dictators that run our corporations are the ones that fund the cmpaigns of those that make the rules. There is no way out here.. None. You all may have a job NOW or a BUISNESS NOW but your customers are getting FIRED on a daily basis and it WILL have an impact.
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