Mass Shooting in Wisconsin

[Riot]

Simply amazing. All this talk - CNN, I'm looking at you - about "how Sikhs are not Muslims" somehow seems to say that Muslims deserve being shot, or are more expected to be shot at.

Dinosaur Jesus, save this country from theocrates and religious haters.

[dellinger63]

The heroes in addition to the cop who shot the culprit dead, turns out to be the partner of officer shot, include two Sikh children, whom upon seeing the gunman shoot 2 in the parking lot ran into the Temple to warn others. Most all were saved by hiding 30 plus, except four inside that includes two Guru's (leaders) another Guru tackled the prick and is in the ICU at Frater.

Death toll is 7, broke out bastard lived in Cudahay on Holmes Ave in a rented room and although the FBI has classified the crime as domestic terrorism local sources report it's due to a bad break up. The culprit reportedly is a veteran.

BTW No longer are they showing the Sikh man who explained the differences between Sikhism and islam which is a shame. However they are still apologizing every time they say Sikh pronouced Sik.

[dellinger63]

Wade Michael Page is the name of the bastard responsible. He is reported to be a white supremist but neighbors (only at present address since last month) who knew him said he kept that a secret. Guess anti-semetic tattoos are comon in Cudahy, WI. Army Vet (based out of Ft. Bragg) attatched to the psych unit. Less than honorably discharged after being bumped down to Sgt.

His ex-girlfriend (reportedly a breakup he couldn't get over) lived in Oak Creek near the Temple. I hope the Sikhs generosity didn't make them a target.

Another hero is the Temple's founder and builder Satwant Singh Kaleka who came to the U.S. with $30 bucks, worked 16hrs a day six days a week for two years, during which he was robbed over a dozen times and taken to the E.R. in least four of those robberies, before he bought his first business. He expanded to the point he was able to finance the construction of the Temple in lieu of a mansion or yacht for himself, anticipating more Sikh's were on the way. Evidence at the scene (bloodtrail) shows Kaleka attacked Page with his dagger that had blood on it and the subject fled, meeting the two cops in the parking lot. Unfortunately Kaleka's son said his father did not suffer immediate mortal wounds but bled out while police assessed the situation.

This guy's kid (I'd guess about 19) is unbelievably poised, warm and considerate considering what just happened and I think is destined for a huge future.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Simply amazing. All this talk - CNN, I'm looking at you - about "how Sikhs are not Muslims" somehow seems to say that Muslims deserve being shot, or are more expected to be shot at.

Dinosaur Jesus, save this country from theocrates and religious haters.

I think they are pointing out how many Americans have no idea about what their neighbors are doing as opposed to saying "Muslims deserve this."

Ignorance among the population, I was shocked when I heard this was a Sikh temple, made no sense as they are truly peaceful people, my second thought, sadly, was that some horrible excuse for a human thought they were Muslims.
That is the world we live in now.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I think they are pointing out how many Americans have no idea about what their neighbors are doing as opposed to saying "Muslims deserve this."

Ignorance among the population, I was shocked when I heard this was a Sikh temple, made no sense as they are truly peaceful people, my second thought, sadly, was that some horrible excuse for a human thought they were Muslims.
That is the world we live in now.

Please for sanity's sake quote riot with just riot.

No one was saying muslims deserve violence. It's the voices going off in her head again. The Sikh's, you know the victims were the ones saying they were not muslims. What the Sikhs were saying is their religion Sikhism teaches women are equal to men and hold any position a man does in their church. Perhaps the only mainstream religion to do so. They also point out their God loves everyone and there is no such word as infidel. I think Christians and Jews have more in common with muslims than Sikhs do and this is their point. Not to mention they lived under muslim rule for over 300 years and fought and beat the muslims because they were opposed to converting. This is why the muslim/Sikh differences are being pointed out.

For more info: www.sikhactivist.net

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Please for sanity's sake quote riot with just riot.

No one was saying muslims deserve violence. It's the voices going off in her head again. The Sikh's, you know the victims were the ones saying they were not muslims. What the Sikhs were saying is their religion Sikhism teaches women are equal to men and hold any position a man does in their church. Perhaps the only mainstream religion to do so. They also point out their God loves everyone and there is no such word as infidel. I think Christians and Jews have more in common with muslims than Sikhs do and this is their point. Not to mention they lived under muslim rule for over 300 years and fought and beat the muslims because they were opposed to converting. This is why the muslim/Sikh differences are being pointed out.

For more info: www.sikhactivist.net

I am originally from NJ and very familiar with the Sikh people and their religion, their is a very large population there. I am OK with the differences being brought up too because the majority of Americans are clueless on pretty much every topic.

[Danzig]

it's all well and good to point out the differences....but no loonie is going to care. that guy was already a racist, and apparently on the edge. it didn't matter one whit to him whether his victims were muslim or not-they were 'different'. just like the batman shooter didn't care who his victims were.
and those who are pointing out that they 'aren't muslims'-if they were, would you be as sympathetic? i would imagine that the answer for some would be 'no', and that's a shame.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's all well and good to point out the differences....but no loonie is going to care. that guy was already a racist, and apparently on the edge. it didn't matter one whit to him whether his victims were muslim or not-they were 'different'. just like the batman shooter didn't care who his victims were.
and those who are pointing out that they 'aren't muslims'-if they were, would you be as sympathetic? i would imagine that the answer for some would be 'no', and that's a shame.

What I think is a shame is the people of the U.S. not familiar with Sikhism are not being allowed to hear what the Sikhs are saying because although true it's not PC.

Especially when the main difference involves equality and acceptance of other religions. But why let facts get in the way.

[Riot]

Attention Americans who are Muslim haters and bigots - don't fear! The right-wing skinhead killer actually killed Sikhs. You're safe from finger-pointing at any consequences for your bigotry for now.

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...,4837148.story

From todays Baltimore Sun:

Not all is rosy for American minorities. Some politicians and media personalities are actively engaged in fear mongering, mainly against American Muslims. Because some confuse them with Muslim extremists, the rhetoric has caused more than 1,000 hate crimes, including murders, against the American Sikh community since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

According to a Sikh leader in the Milwaukee area, two taxis owned by Sikh drivers were vandalized, and two Sikh men were assaulted there following9/11. American Muslims still get to face the brunt of the injury, according to Muslim civil rights organizations, with thousands of complaints filed every year.

What, then, keeps the American minorities so committed to the United States? The answer lies in the wounds of the police officers recuperating in Wisconsin's hospitals. American minorities are cognizant that no matter how much hate the bigots spew and no matter how many bullets the lunatics fire, the institutions and the Constitution of America are on their side.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What I think is a shame is the people of the U.S. not familiar with Sikhism are not being allowed to hear what the Sikhs are saying because although true it's not PC.

Especially when the main difference involves equality and acceptance of other religions. But why let facts get in the way.

oh, that is rich coming from you dell.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am originally from NJ and very familiar with the Sikh people and their religion, their is a very large population there. I am OK with the differences being brought up too because the majority of Americans are clueless on pretty much every topic.

I'm familiar with them through my work and if everyone was Sikh the world would be a much nicer place, that's for sure.

Their consistent record of achieving the American dream starting with nothing should make the occupy crowd and anyone else crying and whining blush in embarrassment and get a job.

[Clip-Clop]

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am originally from NJ and very familiar with the Sikh people and their religion, their is a very large population there. I am OK with the differences being brought up too because the majority of Americans are clueless on pretty much every topic.[/QUOTE]

If only the majority of Americans would sign on here to read the enlightened opinions found in the "Politics/Society" room, then cluelessness would be a thing of the past.

I am less than certain that would help.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Please for sanity's sake quote riot with just riot.

No one was saying muslims deserve violence. It's the voices going off in her head again.

I didn't say that, you remarkable fool. If you are going to refuse to read what I write, then stop trying to pull responses to what I write out of the ignorance of thin air.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Ignorance among the population, I was shocked when I heard this was a Sikh temple, made no sense as they are truly peaceful people, my second thought, sadly, was that some horrible excuse for a human thought they were Muslims.
That is the world we live in now.

Exactly. But they are less Sikh's, than Americans. And that's what is worse. And we don't have to tolerate any such world.