Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[Riot]

Do they not realize that the dead person or a cat would actually have to go and register to vote , following all the states current voter registration laws, and then actually vote in an election, for it to be voter fraud? That simply sending out mailers is ... spam mailing?

Cats simply can't use those Diebold machines. No opposable thumbs.

[joeydb]

If you want to vote, get a f**king ID. Period.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do they not realize that the dead person or a cat would actually have to go and register to vote , following all the states current voter registration laws, and then actually vote in an election, for it to be voter fraud? That simply sending out mailers is ... spam mailing?

Cats simply can't use those Diebold machines. No opposable thumbs.

Don't worry Riot. The same people who give these disadvantaged people a ride to get registered and to the polls on election day can give them a ride to get an I.D. If you don't know enough to get an I.D. you may be a little on the stupid side and shouldn't be voting anyway. That's how people like Obama get elected.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If you don't know enough to get an I.D. you may be a little on the stupid side and shouldn't be voting anyway..

Historically interesting to see you literally repeat a Jim Crow era anti-black sentiment about voters.

You do realize that we American citizens don't have to possess a certain IQ, or color of skin, or job, or social status, or income level, in order to vote. Right?

"Too stupid to vote" ... so you're against the Constitution? You think you are better than 90-year-old white rural American citizens who don't have birth certificates? Here's a good quote for that opinion you hold: "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force."...Thomas Jefferson.

BTW: Republicans, who were so proud of ALEC's voter ID law agenda because, as they've publicly said, they think it will disenfranchise Democratic voters and allow them to win ... have just realized that these GOP voter ID laws, if allowed by the courts, will disenfranchise about an equal - but highly significant - number of elderly white voters in swing states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, that usually vote Republican.

Oops.

Expect to see diminished pushback and defense by Republicans in these states as their restrictive voter ID laws are brought to court. As the disenfranchisement numbers come out, the GOP has realized that they may have screwed themselves.

[Clip-Clop]

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test". Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test".

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.

Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?

Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

i don't know about that now....there are plenty of both to go around. and what's 'informed' mean? for instance, if someone was clinging to the opinion that obama is muslim, would that mean he was or wasn't informed?
and what kind of civics test? they have to name the current administration? 6 of the 9 court justices? or name former presidents-most people would fail that, but that doesn't mean they aren't informed.

[Riot]

The Federal Voting Rights Act, passed in 1965, made tests such as this one illegal

Alabama Literacy Test

Take this quiz to see whether you would have been able to vote
before 1965 if you were not white.

http://kpearson.project.tcnj.edu/int...iles/test.html

Alabama Literacy Test
Parts "B" and "C"

In a typical Alabama literacy test, Part "A" required you to read out loud to the registrar's satisfaction a section of the Constitution (and in some cases verbally interpret it to his satisfaction). You then had to write out a section.

After that, you were given Parts "B" and "C" which were two sets of four written questions that you had to answer.

The parts "B" and "C" we display on this website are some examples from workbooks that Citizenship School teachers, such as the young woman in the photo at left, used to teach applicants what to expect when they went down to the courthouse to register. For that reason, the correct answers for each question are shown.

http://www.crmvet.org/info/litques.htm

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Historically interesting to see you literally repeat a Jim Crow era anti-black sentiment about voters.

You do realize that we American citizens don't have to possess a certain IQ, or color of skin, or job, or social status, or income level, in order to vote. Right?

"Too stupid to vote" ... so you're against the Constitution? You think you are better than 90-year-old white rural American citizens who don't have birth certificates? Here's a good quote for that opinion you hold: "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force."...Thomas Jefferson.

BTW: Republicans, who were so proud of ALEC's voter ID law agenda because, as they've publicly said, they think it will disenfranchise Democratic voters and allow them to win ... have just realized that these GOP voter ID laws, if allowed by the courts, will disenfranchise about an equal - but highly significant - number of elderly white voters in swing states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, that usually vote Republican.

Oops.

Expect to see diminished pushback and defense by Republicans in these states as their restrictive voter ID laws are brought to court. As the disenfranchisement numbers come out, the GOP has realized that they may have screwed themselves.

Play the Race Card Riot. If you can't prove you are a Citizen, you shouldn't be voting. People have all year to get an I.D. Call ACORN and ask for some assistance. You will get all the help you need. I didn't say stupid people should be STOPPED from voting, just that maybe they shouldn't. By the way Riot do you know the history of the Democratic Party? Who it was that was actually trying to keep Blacks from voting? Who started the KKK and why? Who wanted to deny Blacks their 2nd amendment rights? You guessed it! The Democrats! Read up on the Reconstruction some time. I can't understand why any hardworking Blacks would even think about registering Democrat. You go on about the Constitution yet cry out for more gun control. The Federal Govt. has been assuming undelagated powers and ignoring the Constitution for a long time. How do those elderly white people cash their SS checks anyway? J. H. Christ I have to wait in line 20 minutes at the Pharmacy then show I.D. to buy Claritin-D just so I can frikkin breath, when I used to grab a box off the shelf and head for the cash register. You make it sound like getting an I.D. is near impossible and anyone who thinks people should prove they are a Citizen to vote is a Racist.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Play the Race Card Riot. If you can't prove you are a Citizen, you shouldn't be voting. People have all year to get an I.D. Call ACORN and ask for some assistance. You will get all the help you need. I didn't say stupid people should be STOPPED from voting, just that maybe they shouldn't. By the way Riot do you know the history of the Democratic Party? Who it was that was actually trying to keep Blacks from voting? Who started the KKK and why? Who wanted to deny Blacks their 2nd amendment rights? You guessed it! The Democrats! Read up on the Reconstruction some time. I can't understand why any hardworking Blacks would even think about registering Democrat. You go on about the Constitution yet cry out for more gun control. The Federal Govt. has been assuming undelagated powers and ignoring the Constitution for a long time. How do those elderly white people cash their SS checks anyway? J. H. Christ I have to wait in line 20 minutes at the Pharmacy then show I.D. to buy Claritin-D just so I can frikkin breath, when I used to grab a box off the shelf and head for the cash register. You make it sound like getting an I.D. is near impossible and anyone who thinks people should prove they are a Citizen to vote is a Racist.

The Voter ID laws are far more than just racist, as the courts are agreeing, they are poll taxes and unfair Constitutional infringements on the right to vote of not only specifically and discriminatarily non-white minorities, but the poor, elderly, and those that don't live a specific life style or have a certain income.

What does your state say currently (current law) about what you have to show to register to vote? Tell us.

After you read up on reconstruction, keep reading through the 20th century. It's fun to demonize the current Democratic party based upon the political parties of the 1800's, especially as you all apparently read the same right-wing websites that come out with your talking points on the same day - but there's far more to that story than the superficial, shallow talking point you've been told to repeat.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Voter ID laws are far more than just racist, as the courts are agreeing, they are poll taxes and unfair Constitutional infringements on the right to vote of not only specifically and discriminatarily non-white minorities, but the poor, elderly, and those that don't live a specific life style or have a certain income.

What does your state say currently (current law) about what you have to show to register to vote?

After you read up on reconstruction, keep reading through the 20th century. It's fun to demonize the current Democratic party based upon the political parties of the 1800's, especially as you all apparently read the same right-wing websites that come out with your talking points on the same day - but there's far more to that story than the superficial, shallow talking point you've been told to repeat.

http://registerincolorado.org/r/google2

Colorado ID or SSN to register here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

http://registerincolorado.org/r/google2

Colorado ID or SSN to register here.

What documents meet the requirement for a "Colorado ID", and what does the law say if you don't have one?

Hint: you do not need only a SS or Driver license to register to vote in Colorado.

Who may register to vote in Colorado? All you need to be is this:
You are eligible to vote if you:
· will be 18 years of age or older at the time of the next election
· are a United States citizen
· are a Colorado resident and have lived in your current precinct for at least 30 days before the election
· are not serving a sentence (including parole) for a felony conviction

What documents you can show to register to vote:
Acceptable forms of identification when voting If your form of identification shows your address, that address must be in the state of Colorado.

· a valid Colorado driver's license
· a valid identification card issued by the Department of Revenue in accordance with the requirements of Part 3 of Article 2 of Title 42, C.R.S.
· a valid U.S. passport
· a valid employee identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the United States government or of this state, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of this state
· a valid pilot's license issued by the Federal Aviation Administration or other authorized agency of the United States
· a valid U.S. military identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector
· a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector. For examples, please visit: www.elections.colorado.gov
· a valid Medicare or Medicaid card issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
· a certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate for the elector issued in the United States
· certified documentation of naturalization
· a valid student identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado, as defined in section 23-3.1-102(5), C.R.S.
· A valid veteran identification card issued by the United States department of veterans affairs veterans health administration with a photograph of the eligible elector.
· A valid identification card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Voter ID laws are far more than just racist, as the courts are agreeing, they are poll taxes and unfair Constitutional infringements on the right to vote of not only specifically and discriminatarily non-white minorities, but the poor, elderly, and those that don't live a specific life style or have a certain income.

What does your state say currently (current law) about what you have to show to register to vote? Tell us.

After you read up on reconstruction, keep reading through the 20th century. It's fun to demonize the current Democratic party based upon the political parties of the 1800's, especially as you all apparently read the same right-wing websites that come out with your talking points on the same day - but there's far more to that story than the superficial, shallow talking point you've been told to repeat.

Nobody told me to repeat sh!t Riot I worked all day and this is the only site I've visited. Unlike you my job doesn't involve surfing the web. You are the one who repeats the same Progressive crap that dominates the media. There is nothing wrong with making sure people are citizens. Ooooops I forgot our Prez doesn't have a birth certificate. I live in N.Y. I had to show an I.D. Please look up the regs for me you are more fluent with the Internet than I am. If there is a pie chart so much the better.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Nobody told me to repeat sh!t Riot I worked all day and this is the only site I've visited. Unlike you my job doesn't involve surfing the web. You are the one who repeats the same Progressive crap that dominates the media. There is nothing wrong with making sure people are citizens. Ooooops I forgot our Prez doesn't have a birth certificate. I live in N.Y. I had to show an I.D. Please look up the regs for me you are more fluent with the Internet than I am. If there is a pie chart so much the better.

So you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion of Voter ID rights, other than to reiterate that you are a birther?

BTW: I own my own successful business, I earn six figures, and, being a massive job creator, I have the luxury of a lot of time off. The American Dream - it's awesome

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Play the Race Card Riot. If you can't prove you are a Citizen, you shouldn't be voting. People have all year to get an I.D. Call ACORN and ask for some assistance. You will get all the help you need. I didn't say stupid people should be STOPPED from voting, just that maybe they shouldn't. By the way Riot do you know the history of the Democratic Party? Who it was that was actually trying to keep Blacks from voting? Who started the KKK and why? Who wanted to deny Blacks their 2nd amendment rights? You guessed it! The Democrats! Read up on the Reconstruction some time. I can't understand why any hardworking Blacks would even think about registering Democrat. You go on about the Constitution yet cry out for more gun control. The Federal Govt. has been assuming undelagated powers and ignoring the Constitution for a long time. How do those elderly white people cash their SS checks anyway? J. H. Christ I have to wait in line 20 minutes at the Pharmacy then show I.D. to buy Claritin-D just so I can frikkin breath, when I used to grab a box off the shelf and head for the cash register. You make it sound like getting an I.D. is near impossible and anyone who thinks people should prove they are a Citizen to vote is a Racist.

yeah, the constitution is all fine and dandy, til things like ndaa come along. or shooting citizens overseas without due process. the ag even tried to justfiy the latter.
the bible, and the constitution. both used by anyone in any argument to justify their point.