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Old 06-06-2012, 02:38 PM
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whats he gonna say..
Fair point, but his work this week is certainly not in conflict....Additionally, he is on quite a roll recently on these big days....
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:48 PM
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Fair point, but his work this week is certainly not in conflict....Additionally, he is on quite a roll recently on these big days....
blowing a 57 and change work before you run a mile and 1/2 isnt very smart..imo
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:23 PM
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I think it was 45 and change, but potatoes and potatos.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:24 PM
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I think it was 45 and change, but potatoes and potatos.
oh..thanks i didnt see it was 45..
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:28 PM
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If he's to have any chance to win, he'll need to do it from closer to the pace than he's ever been around two turns. In a 12-furlong race with a projected moderate pace, that drop back and make one late run shtick isn't going to cut it. I just can't see it. I'll Have Another and Paynter both will get first run on him. Castellano has to hope neither of those two will get the distance.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:04 PM
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I agree with that, I don't see him running close to the pace then outfinishing I'll Have Another, and if he hangs way back to make a run I think he's doomed. Many people get all excited about closers having more distance to get the job done. not me.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:38 PM
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I HATED Dullahan in the Derby, and I still have my doubts about him on dirt, but he was brilliant on the Belmont dirt a few days ago, and Romans thinks he's ready. I think he and Paynter are the two IHA has to worry about. I've completely abandoned the Union Rags bandwagon for the time being.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:44 PM
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I actually look for at least a little more pace than people are expecting in the Belmont.

You have a full field, a big crowd that might stir up a few horses, not a very long run into the 1st turn, and a lot of jockeys on hopeless horses who know they have no shot if they're not forward...and might want to try and pull a D' Tara on the front end or a Commendable pressing a stretch-out sprinter from a clear 2nd.

Paynter won a 5.5 furlong maiden race just four months ago. Unstoppable U won a 6 furlong maiden dueling on the lead less than 3 months ago. A few other horses in there can go faster than 48.

I just wish I didn't have to hear all of those people going on about how Dullahan is training. I'm gonna take one last shot with him. I don't see myself on him again for a while after this.
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:52 PM
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If he's to have any chance to win, he'll need to do it from closer to the pace than he's ever been around two turns. In a 12-furlong race with a projected moderate pace, that drop back and make one late run shtick isn't going to cut it. I just can't see it. I'll Have Another and Paynter both will get first run on him. Castellano has to hope neither of those two will get the distance.
i agree. belmont is usually kinder to front runners and stalkers, not the closers. too many think every time a horse almost gets there that with added distance, he will. and then they don't. but they get oh so close, and suck in some bettors next time around...
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:43 PM
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blowing a 57 and change work before you run a mile and 1/2 isnt very smart..imo
Risen Star went 33 and change. I just saw this.
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Risen Star went 33 and change. I just saw this.
Louie Roussel wasn't pleased with Jimmy Nichols after that work, but fortunately things worked out for Star in the end.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:33 AM
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Louie Roussel wasn't pleased with Jimmy Nichols after that work, but fortunately things worked out for Star in the end.
The irony of bringing up Risen Star is that he trained for the Belmont while battling a publicly reported injury to (IIRC) his right front suspensory. He was touch-and-go leading up to the race, eventually entered, started, and won by the length of the stretch.

Of course, he never ran again, either.

I could only imagine the outcry of such a situation in this day and age. Roussel might be crucified for even working the horse, never mind running him. I wonder if this was the ultimate deciding factor in Team O'Neill yanking I'll Have Another from the race (ie not so much the risk to the horse as the public backlash if things happened to go wrong).
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