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Old 06-05-2012, 08:00 AM
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I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:18 PM
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I questioned Rags at 10f, so I'm firmly in the camp that believes those bloodlines don't favor him getting better going 12f.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:27 PM
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I questioned Rags at 10f, so I'm firmly in the camp that believes those bloodlines don't favor him getting better going 12f.
I'm in this camp too. He also hasn't showed enough improvement between last year and this year that makes me think he can win this race.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:29 PM
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I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.
I agree, but you could argue Curlin ran a winning race in the Belmont after winning the preakness
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:26 PM
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I didnt like Union Rags for the Classics the moment I read his breeding. As for him being placed with the leaders early on, I welcome it. I'll Have Another has caught anyone who has been ahead of him all four races this year. Looks like your best chance is to strike late against him.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:26 PM
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I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.
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I agree, but you could argue Curlin ran a winning race in the Belmont after winning the preakness
Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 2nd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:51 PM
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Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 3rd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3
First Dude was 2nd in the Preakness.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:17 AM
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When I look at Union Rags efforts as the distances increased.. the diminishing figures and duller performances to me says, "Hey, I love 1 turn races".

He does get the french statue off his back and did run his best race ever over the surface, so he has a couple things going for him...
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:56 AM
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John Velasquez is a downgrade at this point. If you look since April 1st Leparoux has been a far better rider.

John is an anchor too. Especially if he takes a look at the turf course during the race. Might as well ease the horse at that point.
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:01 AM
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Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 3rd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3
Steve nice analysis of the belmont in the xpressbet feature
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:28 AM
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Great stats, Steve. Wondering what the record in that time of Derby runners skipping the Preakness is. Just off the top of my noodle, there's Empire Maker, Birdstone, Jazil, and Summer Bird, and Rags to Riches should half count. Even in the years where there were big upsetters since Point Given in '01 (i.e., Da'Tara, Ruler on Ice), horses like Denis of Cork, Bluegrass Cat, Dunkirk, and Stay Thirsty have gone Derby-Preakness and run second.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:03 AM
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If you want your horse on or near the lead, you would want JVR over Frenchy, correct? I could be wrong.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:09 AM
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I'm taking Union Rags mainly because of JV getting the mount. No one knows his way around Belmont better than him, and I think he'll have him in a good spot throughout.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:39 AM
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If you want your horse on or near the lead, you would want JVR over Frenchy, correct? I could be wrong.
I'd rather have Johnny V over Leparoux on any kind of horse, but especially a horse that has early speed.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:05 PM
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Great stats, Steve. Wondering what the record in that time of Derby runners skipping the Preakness is. Just off the top of my noodle, there's Empire Maker, Birdstone, Jazil, and Summer Bird, and Rags to Riches should half count. Even in the years where there were big upsetters since Point Given in '01 (i.e., Da'Tara, Ruler on Ice), horses like Denis of Cork, Bluegrass Cat, Dunkirk, and Stay Thirsty have gone Derby-Preakness and run second.
Andromeda's Hero skipped and was the distant 2nd to Afleet Alex in '05...

Other Preakness skippers include:

Master of Hounds, Santiva, Nehro, Brilliant Speed last year;
Stately Victor, Ice Box, Make Music for Me in '10;
Mr. Hot Stuff, Chocolate Candy in '09;
Tale of Ekati, Anak Nakal in '08;
I'mawildandcrazyguy, Tiago in '07
Deputy Glitters, Bob and John, Steppenwolfer in '06
Perfect Drift in '02
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:09 PM
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remember when a hero came back at toga . 3/5 broke frome the gate and stopped..arggg.. you have alink to the express bet write up steve?
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:53 PM
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Steve nice analysis of the belmont in the xpressbet feature
Thx.. Was certainly disappointed by Alpha coming out as I was gearing towards him. Will get an update filed tomorrow.
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