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Old 05-28-2012, 07:20 PM
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Orioles, when people have too much invested into their belief systems, they are almost always unwilling to look at countering viewpoints with even a tiny bit of objectivity.

Give it up man. You fought the good fight, but zealotry will beat reason every time.
It isnt a belief system. It is called experience in the field combined with a working knowledge of the substances plus frank, off the record discussions with those who would be considered experts.

http://www.amazon.com/Drugs-Performa...36575&sr=8-1#_

Just read this book written 30 years ago and you will find why so much of what is being said is complete bs.
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:11 PM
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Just read this book written 30 years ago and you will find why so much of what is being said is complete bs.
Choice quotes from earlier in this thread:

It's no longer 30 years ago.

Personally I believe trying to turn the clock back 30 years... to be a waste of time.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:03 PM
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Choice quotes from earlier in this thread:

It's no longer 30 years ago.

Personally I believe trying to turn the clock back 30 years... to be a waste of time.
I think Chuck's point is that we knew most of this most basic drug information 30 years ago. We've been using lasix in race horses for over 40 years.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:12 PM
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Choice quotes from earlier in this thread:

It's no longer 30 years ago.

Personally I believe trying to turn the clock back 30 years... to be a waste of time.
What that book does very clearly is show that the bullshit that we are fed about what was going on in the pollyanna days prior to lasix use is not how it is actually was. While the testing has advanced it is very obvious that many of the same drugs that are being passed off as inventions of the modern day trainer were actually in use in the 70's and in some cases at much, much higher allowable levels.

Funny how everything was great back then but now those same things are the enemy of the horse.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:18 PM
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What that book does very clearly is show that the bullshit that we are fed about what was going on in the pollyanna days prior to lasix use is not how it is actually was. While the testing has advanced it is very obvious that many of the same drugs that are being passed off as inventions of the modern day trainer were actually in use in the 70's and in some cases at much, much higher allowable levels.

Funny how everything was great back then but now those same things are the enemy of the horse.
It was a cheap shot, I'll admit. But the coincidence with the "30 years" refrain was too good to pass up.

At least Riot finally set me straight, so I paid the price in the end.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:29 PM
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It was a cheap shot, I'll admit. But the coincidence with the "30 years" refrain was too good to pass up.

At least Riot finally set me straight, so I paid the price in the end.
Won't make that mistake again will you? lol
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