Lasix enhances performance

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't care if horses get Lasix, but it should be fair. There are other ways around it. Why not give horses not using it a 5 pound weight break and/or make the price to claim them higher?

What exactly will this accomplish? How is giving equal access to the same medication which is regulated and cheap unfair?

Is it fair that Sheikh Mo's trainers have an unlimited budget to treat their horses with all the latest treatments when the rest of us dont have that luxury? Is it fair that certain trainers seem to get races written specifically for them? Is it fair that some of us go to the yearling sale armed with budgets of thousands when others have millions?

The idea that there are those who are "forced" to use lasix and should be rewarded for not using it is completely flawed. Why not give horses who draw outside posts in two turn races less weight? Why not give rookie trainers 3 pounds like apprentice jockeys? Why not give horses ridden by less than 8% jockeys 2 pounds?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly will this accomplish? How is giving equal access to the same medication which is regulated and cheap unfair?

We'll just never see each other's point I guess. To me, you are saying since everyone can be drugged cheaply it is their problem if they don't use it. I'll never agree with that. If Lasix is so great, surely giving five pounds or a 50% edge in claiming prices to those not using isn't a big deal.

Drug the all Chuck, drug them all, that is the spirit.

As for Danzig's post about best for the horse, I've addressed this several times. If you want to believe this sport is about what is best for the horse, I have some prime coast land to sell you here in Oklahoma. I wish it was. I love horses. But we all know that isn't the case the majority of the time. Should I started listing more horses that were treated like disposable tissues?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

We'll just never see each other's point I guess. To me, you are saying since everyone can be drugged cheaply it is their problem if they don't use it. I'll never agree with that. If Lasix is so great, surely giving five pounds or a 50% edge in claiming prices to those not using isn't a big deal.

Drug the all Chuck, drug them all, that is the spirit.

As for Danzig's post about best for the horse, I've addressed this several times. If you want to believe this sport is about what is best for the horse, I have some prime coast land to sell you here in Oklahoma. I wish it was. I love horses. But we all know that isn't the case the majority of the time. Should I started listing more horses that were treated like disposable tissues?

You should stop falsely demonizing lasix for things it does not do. Pretending it's a hop is simply false. "What lasix does" isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of measured reality and science.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should stop falsely demonizing lasix for things it does not do. Pretending it's a hop is simply false. "What lasix does" isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of measured reality and science.

A vet said it, not me.

Drug em all, Riot, that is the ticket.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

A vet said it, not me.

Drug em all, Riot, that is the ticket.

Thousands of other vets say his opinion is a minority, and his views border on "crankdom".

Join those of us worrying about real drug problems in racing.

Stop chasing laser beams pointed to the wall by a few ignorant fools.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thousands of other vets say his opinion is a minority, and his views border on "crankdom".

Join those of us worrying about real drug problems in racing.

Stop chasing laser beams pointed to the wall by a few ignorant fools.

Thousands of other vets aren't being published in the New York Times. Funny, you say I should listen to vets, until they say something you don't like.

Drug them all. That has really helped the sport. The game couldn't be in better shape.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Thousands of other vets aren't being published in the New York Times.

No. They are being published where their wealth of skill and knowledge about lasix matters, in research journals, pharmacology textbooks, clinical medicine applications.

Some crank wrote an opinion letter to the NYT. You're falling for it. Good luck.

You calling lasix, "drug them all" simply reveals that you remain completely ignorant about furosemide and it's long and successful in horses (and dogs, cats, people, tigers, bears, primates, etc)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

We'll just never see each other's point I guess. To me, you are saying since everyone can be drugged cheaply it is their problem if they don't use it. I'll never agree with that. If Lasix is so great, surely giving five pounds or a 50% edge in claiming prices to those not using isn't a big deal.

Drug the all Chuck, drug them all, that is the spirit.

As for Danzig's post about best for the horse, I've addressed this several times. If you want to believe this sport is about what is best for the horse, I have some prime coast land to sell you here in Oklahoma. I wish it was. I love horses. But we all know that isn't the case the majority of the time. Should I started listing more horses that were treated like disposable tissues?

Whatever...

I always love when people accuse one side of an argument with being stubborn and then make statements like "I'll never agree with that".

As for the welfare of horses I would think that those who profit off of the knowingly abused have blood on thier hands as well...

But dont fret, using lasix isnt really abuse no matter how hard you neutrally rail against it.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But dont fret, using lasix isnt really abuse no matter how hard you neutrally rail against it.

Cool, keep drugging them all then, whether they need it or not. You have a future in pharmacological sales.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Cool, keep drugging them all then, whether they need it or not. You have a future in pharmacological sales.

That's it, I'm rooting for the Spurs...

When someone comes up with something that works better I'd be glad to stop using lasix. Until then I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and just hope that my horses don't bleed.

Sorry you don't agree but you dont exactly have to worry about real horses, just the theoretically abused ones.

One last time...

If it is a given that lasix helps prevent bleeding and it is a given that it helps reduce the severity of an incident and it is a given that we can't accurately predict when an incident will occur...how do you know who will or wont need it?

Aspirin, a drug is used by millions as preventative medicine and no one seems to have an issue with that.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Aspirin, a drug is used by millions as preventative medicine and no one seems to have an issue with that.

I promised myself I would stay out of this from here on in, but this comment was too naive for me to pass up.

Are you freaking kidding? Aspirin is far from harmless and lots and lots and lots of people have issues with it.

Truth be told, I was going to say idiotic, but in the interest of not being inflammatory I went with naive. Then again, I could just take an NSAID if I get too inflammatory!

Get it??! Aspirin, anti inflammatory, NSAID?? All worked together in one post! Pretty clever if you ask me!!

You should read up on NSAID's sometime.

Lasix and Aspirin are good for you.


Side note: The Doritos Locos Taco Supreme is nutritious and delicious.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I promised myself I would stay out of this from here on in, but this comment was too naive for me to pass up.

Are you freaking kidding? Aspirin is far from harmless and lots and lots and lots of people have issues with it.

Truth be told, I was going to say idiotic, but in the interest of not being inflammatory I went with naive. Then again, I could just take an NSAID if I get too inflammatory!

Get it??! Aspirin, anti inflammatory, NSAID?? All worked together in one post! Pretty clever if you ask me!!

You should read up on NSAID's sometime.

So the generally medically accepted practice of Doctors prescribing a daily aspirin regime is controversial and unacceptable?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

We'll just never see each other's point I guess. To me, you are saying since everyone can be drugged cheaply it is their problem if they don't use it. I'll never agree with that. If Lasix is so great, surely giving five pounds or a 50% edge in claiming prices to those not using isn't a big deal.

Drug the all Chuck, drug them all, that is the spirit.

As for Danzig's post about best for the horse, I've addressed this several times. If you want to believe this sport is about what is best for the horse, I have some prime coast land to sell you here in Oklahoma. I wish it was. I love horses. But we all know that isn't the case the majority of the time. Should I started listing more horses that were treated like disposable tissues?

i'm asking what's best as in better to take a risk of bleeding, or use the lasix? i know there are plenty of people who don't give a rats behind about what's really best for the horses.
and i see someone has reared their head, so i guess i'm done with this thread anway....