Tuesday primaries

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's nice that Walker found an outlier, a measure not used normally, to try and say he created jobs. He's pretty desperate, especially with the John Doe investigation about felonies in his office ongoing, and his budget disaster.

The way we always and usually measure jobs says differently, of course. From your article:





That's right. The "real" numbers, that every state uses, that Walker used to use before last year turned out so badly, says Wisconsin was the worse job creation state in the country last year.



Yeah, I read that. They asked for a half-million dollars. There was some fund-raising thing the last two days in response that raised over 250K, I know; and a teachers union just gave that half-million yesterday to make it up.

DNC is coming to Wisconsin to help GOTV, unknown if they will bring their checkbook. It is difficult, as Walker is using virtually 100% of "outside money" to try and hold his seat.

you are so predictable it is hilarious....

Yeah a survey of a small portion of employers is far better than actual payroll tax records..... (remember the source of the story, a very bias liberal newspaper)

In Wisconsin under governor Walker the 3rd grade test scores are substantially better than when Govenor Doyle was in office so now we actually can do Math in our state.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you are so predictable it is hilarious....

Yeah a survey of a small portion of employers is far better than actual payroll tax records..... (remember the source of the story, a very bias liberal newspaper)

In Wisconsin under governor Walker the 3rd grade test scores are substantially better than when Govenor Doyle was in office so now we actually can do Math in our state.

Well, no, the other major Wisconsin job loss documentation is the commonly used (even by Walker) federal government jobs numbers. They said -23,000 losses last year. They have Wisconsin rated the worse job loss state in the nation. That's indisputable. The article you quoted has even more job losses. Ouch! I can see why Walker is desperate to try and say he created jobs in the face of those terrible numbers.

Again, glad Walker found something to show differently than every other usually-used measure.

Oh: and that tape catching Walker lying about his intention to union bust, to his huge donor ... ouch!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no, the other major Wisconsin job loss documentation is the commonly used (even by Walker) federal government jobs numbers. They said -23,000 losses last year. They have Wisconsin rated the worse job loss state in the nation. That's indisputable. The article you quoted has even more job losses. Ouch! I can see why Walker is desperate to try and say he created jobs in the face of those terrible numbers.

Again, glad Walker found something to show differently than every other usually-used measure.

Oh: and that tape catching Walker lying about his intention to union bust, to his huge donor ... ouch!

Keep trying to redirect, change the subject etc. Fact is that WI had job gains, not losses. Fact is that if the political climate was better the job creation would be higher. If the democrats didn't waste all the money, time, etc on the recalls then we would have higher job creation. Fact is that the democrats stopped the mining bill and prevented more job creation. Fact is Tom Barrett has done nothing to create jobs (well he does want a Streetcar). Fact is the democrats and you are hoping that the state fails under Walker at all costs (even to the detriment of the working people).

Your logic is that a survey is better than cold hard facts.

Oh yeah new poll shows Walker's lead getting bigger. Based on your logic we don't need to even hold the recall election since the polls show Walker is ahead by 6 points.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Keep trying to redirect, change the subject etc. Fact is that WI had job gains, not losses.

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.

Fact is that if the political climate was better the job creation would be higher. If the democrats didn't waste all the money, time, etc on the recalls then we would have higher job creation. Fact is that the democrats stopped the mining bill and prevented more job creation. Fact is Tom Barrett has done nothing to create jobs (well he does want a Streetcar).

Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.

Fact is the democrats and you are hoping that the state fails under Walker at all costs (even to the detriment of the working people).

I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.

Your logic is that a survey is better than cold hard facts.

Oh yeah new poll shows Walker's lead getting bigger. Based on your logic we don't need to even hold the recall election since the polls show Walker is ahead by 6 points.

What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.



Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.



I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.



What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.

keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

BTW- Barrett's wife used her email at MPS during the time which she was working at MPS for political purposes. I don't see you reporting on that. Nor is the liberal media. Many of your above comments are completely false, but I am trying to stick to the subject of jobs