NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Duck.

Again, refute the statement: "...we believe our results present clear and unequivocal evidence of an association between use of furosemide and superior performance in Thoroughbred racehorses."

It's within the conclusion of the article you quote.

See, quoting sentences in a vacuum, without understanding, isn't a very good debate tactic when you are ignorant of the subject matter.

You are completely trying to steer away from what was said. There are two separate threshold levels for total carbon dioxide used in New York to identify "milkshaked" horses, not a range. One for horses not receiving lasix. One for horses receiving lasix. The latter is allowed a higher threshold (ie more total carbon dioxide ergo more bicarbonate). Why is that?

There is nothing sadder than a man that bravely makes a definitive statement, then, when it's pointed out by someone who knows more than he that he's completely wrong, says he is not and tries to ask questions and backtrack.

You trying to cover up this fact with a blanket of statistical nonsense is pathetic beyond belief.

Yes. There are two separate levels. They do not exist for the reason you stated. You are not remotely close or accurate as to why those different levels exist, let alone the fact you attribute it to lasix causing metabolic alkalosis (apparently in amazing physiologic ability devoid of compensatory mechanisms).

You don't have the first clue regarding what you are talking about. You don't have the knowledge of pharmacology or physiology. You are cutting and pasting words without meaning.

Again: you are the guy sitting at the corner of the bar, pontificating on how to do open heart surgery. It's sad. Just stop.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's within the conclusion of the article you quote.

See, quoting sentences in a vacuum, without understanding, isn't a very good debate tactic when you are ignorant of the subject matter.

I don't see. You haven't posted anything. If there's something in the conclusion that contradicts what was already said in the conclusion (a mighty feat I might add), why don't you post it?

There is nothing sadder than a man that bravely makes a definitive statement, then, when it's pointed out by someone who knows more than he that he's completely wrong, says he is not and tries to ask questions and backtrack.

What the fucl< are you talking about? Are you replying to yourself here? You said I was wrong, so prove how I was wrong. It's simple.

Saying you know more than me so it must be so doesn't cut it. You can't be this daft.

Yes. There are two separate levels. They do not exist for the reason you stated. You are not remotely close or accurate as to why those different levels exist, let alone the fact you attribute it to lasix causing metabolic alkalosis (apparently in amazing physiologic ability devoid of compensatory mechanisms).

Ah, the subtle backpedal. Where did I say compensatory mechanisms don't exist?

Nevertheless, why would there need to be compensatory mechanisms if lasix doesn't have an alkalinizing effect as previously stated?

Wipe off the rearview kids, cuz we're about to go backwards.

You don't have the first clue regarding what you are talking about. You don't have the knowledge of pharmacology or physiology. You are cutting and pasting words without meaning.

Yes. All the statements I made have no meaning. Veterinarians write studies in a cryptic manner that says one think in one section, but the total opposite in another. I'm sure it's designed to sucker us know-nothing lay people into believing the wrong thing and acting on invalid information.

I guess its no surprise then that these idiotic racing officials are ruining racing.

They're listening to the "wrong" veterinary advice. Not the secret, "right stuff".

Chuck Yeager couldn't outrun the BS spewing out of your mouth.

you are the guy sitting at the corner of the bar, pontificating on how to do open heart surgery. It's sad. Just stop.

I guess that makes you the expert veterinarian utilizing the free Wi-Fi at McDonald's, refilling her saved, crinkled cup from Burger King to wheeze Sweet Tea, bullying "less educated" posters on therapeutic medication despite contributing almost nothing. It's hilarious. Keep it up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't see. You haven't posted anything. If there's something in the conclusion that contradicts what was already said in the conclusion (a mighty feat I might add), why don't you post it?

You've gone through the same discounted circular arguments so many times, I can't even follow what the hell you are trying to "prove" at this point. Your post above made no sense. It was just argumentative bullshi.a.t.

Why don't you read page 2 of the link in the first post of this thread, and anything on that page you think is specifically false, list it here, and we'll discuss it.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

You've gone through the same discounted circular arguments so many times, I can't even follow what the hell you are trying to "prove" at this point. Your post above made no sense. It was just argumentative bullshi.a.t.

Why don't you read page 2 of the link in the first post of this thread, and anything on that page you think is specifically false, list it here, and we'll discuss it.

You did it.

You successfully avoided answering any of the questions I put forth. You've taken us on a merry-go-round ride of BS and have buried the relevant issues I brought to the table. You're such an asset to this board.

Dare I say, in the words of the great Uncle Leon, you've "topsy turvied this motherfucl<er!"

You can rest and breathe easy now. Everyone is still under the impression that you "know" everything.

Is the walkway leading to your front door made from yellow bricks?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You successfully avoided answering any of the questions I put forth.

Oh, no. I answered plenty of them. The ones that had some basis in reality. You just either didn't like the answer, or didn't know enough to understand the answer.

Again: you read page 2 of the PDF at the top of this thread about lasix, and any thing you think is a lie, or false, or not true about lasix, post it here and we'll discuss it.