Derby Day Pools

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by jms62

I'm for getting rid of dime supers and .50 P4's all-together. Can anyone truly say that their ROI on P4's has improved since they have gone the .50 route? People spend just as much playing .50 as they would a dollar get more combinations and IMLHO severly watered down payouts. I wish the industry or DRF would publish a study of .50 P4's. I do realize I won't get any support on my position but that is how I see it.

I couldn't disagree more.
I think the payoffs take a tiny hit with the Trifecta's but, it is a fair trade off to help avoid taxable tickets.

I can't speak for everyone but, I have hit at least three Pick 4's this year that I would have never had if the bet had been at a $1 minimum. They all paid me over four figures. I have also avoided paying taxes in 5 or 6 other situations by using multiple fifty cent punches on the same ticket.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I couldn't disagree more.
I think the payoffs take a tiny hit with the Trifecta's but, it is a fair trade off to help avoid taxable tickets.

I can't speak for everyone but, I have hit at least three Pick 4's this year that I would have never had if the bet had been at a $1 minimum. They all paid me over four figures. I have also avoided paying taxes in 5 or 6 other situations by using multiple fifty cent punches on the same ticket.

Thanks for making my point. Many people hitting who wouldn't be hitting for a buck hence the depressed payouts. Your 4 figure scores could have been a 5 figure score a few years back. Of course neither of us have the stats to backup our position so you have your opinion and I have mine which is certainly in the minority on this board; as a matter of fact I think I stand alone on this issue. To those that say simply bet your .50 ticket multiple times I just chuckle. Having said that maybe the solution is what appears to be happening at Belmont today... 4 12+ horse fields in the late P4...

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks for making my point. Many people hitting who wouldn't be hitting for a buck hence the depressed payouts. Your 4 figure scores could have been a 5 figure score a few years back. Of course neither of us have the stats to backup our position so you have your opinion and I have mine which is certainly in the minority on this board; as a matter of fact I think I stand alone on this issue. To those that say simply bet your .50 ticket multiple times I just chuckle. Having said that maybe the solution is what appears to be happening at Belmont today... 4 12+ horse fields in the late P4...

Well it wouldn't have been a 5 figure score for me, because I would've never played a $200 ticket for a $1 minimum.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks for making my point. Many people hitting who wouldn't be hitting for a buck hence the depressed payouts. Your 4 figure scores could have been a 5 figure score a few years back. Of course neither of us have the stats to backup our position so you have your opinion and I have mine which is certainly in the minority on this board; as a matter of fact I think I stand alone on this issue. To those that say simply bet your .50 ticket multiple times I just chuckle. Having said that maybe the solution is what appears to be happening at Belmont today... 4 12+ horse fields in the late P4...

In an era where pools of all types are shrinking, having more people involved is a good thing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

In an era where pools of all types are shrinking, having more people involved is a good thing.

Do you think this has any impact on the big players exiting the game?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you think this has any impact on the big players exiting the game?

"Big players exiting the game" has FAR more to do with high, oppressive takeout than low minimums.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you think this has any impact on the big players exiting the game?

Big players care about rebates, pool size and field size more than payoffs, because payoffs are relative.