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Many of the European horses that don't need it ship for the BC and they get it anyway. Why is that? European trainers seem to think it is a performance enhancer. Are they just uneducated? The ones that don't get it rarely run to their odds. Just coincidence? |
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![]() Anyone can poke around at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Use EIPH and race horse as your search terms I found these with EIPH furosemide speed as the search terms Quote:
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![]() And isn't it the crux of the issue? Was Lasix originally legalized as a preventative measure for non-bleeders? Of course not, it was used to try to cure those that had bled.
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![]() And if they had known then that it would be a preventative for the issue that they were trying to cure what makes you think that they wouldn't have allowed it?
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i know if i could take medications that would prevent illness and damage, i would. i wouldn't wait til i had an episode-a bit late then, isn't it?
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![]() Unfortunately lasix has never been proved to prevent EPIH. If it doesn't prevent why the nearly 100% use in USA racing?
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This is the valid veterinary medical proof of the drugs efficacy over decades, and there is no "opinion" available on that matter. The evidence is so strong, and the benefit to the race horse so obvious, that the American Association of Equine Practitioners and the American Veterinary Medical Association both support keeping lasix as an approved race day therapeutic medication, while they support the elimination of every single other medication we have for race day use.
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![]() When and where was this published?
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![]() ![]() Well, you can read the 120 available studies on the subject over the past 40-50 years by clicking on this link and entering the words EIPH equine in the search term box at the top. Then hit "search". If you enter the terms EIPH equine lasix you'll get another 28 studies that are more specific. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
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This is not an opinion matter. It's either true, or it isn't. And there are at least 50 current studies that show that yes, lasix mitigates exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage. That's not my opinion. It's fact. You can go check it yourself at the links I have given. It's scientific, measurable fact as publicly supported by the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Association of Equine Practitioners. As said before: does it stop bleeding in all horses? No, as EIPH has multifactoral causes. And nobody has ever maintained that. Does it decrease the extent of bleeding in most, and stop it in some? Yes, indeed. The comment about not being able to find drugs in dilute urine is laughable nonsense that was last true about 25 years ago. This type of ridiculous misinformation, deliberate ignoring of facts to support a predetermined political agenda, is exactly what is dangerous to this sport, but more importantly, the health of our horses. You can't fix deliberate, purposeful ignorance. Lasix can be banned in US racing, if racing wants no drugs at all to be used. But trying to ban it based upon decades-old falsehoods and ridiculous lies needs to be confronted for the scientifically disproven fantasy it is.
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And Rafael Palmeiro also is in the congressional record as stating that he never took steroids.... I think what so many people miss here is that bleeding is not a big problem anymore because we have the ability to use lasix to combat it. No lasix means that the problem will worsen and a whole cottage industry will rise consisting of things that will be used to try to tackle the issue. In the end the lack of lasix will have a detrimental effect on the horses. |
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There will be conclusions generally on both sides of an issue like this, you just have to wade through them and determine where the majority seem to lean and the ones that make more logical sense. Prevention is not the only purpose of the drug, reduction is just as important if not more than prevention. Last edited by pointman : 04-20-2012 at 12:27 PM. |
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![]() I've been asking the same question.
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![]() So by your latest study we give drugs to 99% of horses Lasix because 64% have microscopic bleeding?
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![]() Except, of course, that it is still a drug. You can't convince me that every horse needs a drug to run. The reason every horse gets is because trainers also believe it is a performance enhancer. I've heard many say as much.
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![]() It would probably be in your best interest to find some different trainers to associate with. I suggest looking for a few that actually know what they are talking about.
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