Mike Smith

[Scofield]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

You're moving him up strictly based on adding Mike Smith?
I would guess Mike Smith wants a ride in the Derby, and this was the first/best opportunity that came up.

Has won 2 of last 3 Breeders Cup Classics and BLAMED himself for not winning 3 in row.Still a big time jockey in big races.

[lemondropkid1]

Bodemeister is extremely light on earnings. I'm not sure what the purse distribution is, but he'd probably have to win this weekend to even have a chance of getting in the gate. Smith is just making sure he has a horse for the race.

[tywizard]

Yes I do place value on him. At CD. In big time races.

So when he gets the mount on a horse I already liked somewhat that does move the horse up.

I'm assuming you aren't a fan of his? Or are you questioning the value of a rider upgrade in general?

[Danzig]

smith, like most jocks, is overrated. some can mess up a horse, but most of the time i doubt they do much to improve a horses chances.
if a horse can't do it, he can't do it, regardless of jock. they can't give a horse more talent.
now, if you have a horse that's difficult and a jock can calm him, that's a good thing. but in most cases, it doesn't matter who you put on them.

[Scofield]

Originally Posted by Danzig

smith, like most jocks, is overrated. some can mess up a horse, but most of the time i doubt they do much to improve a horses chances.
if a horse can't do it, he can't do it, regardless of jock. they can't give a horse more talent.
now, if you have a horse that's difficult and a jock can calm him, that's a good thing. but in most cases, it doesn't matter who you put on them.

Danzig,i agree with you for the most part.Angel Codero carried Bold Forbes on his back the last 1/4 of a mile in the Belmont Stakes.
Imo the bigger the race the more important a jockey becomes.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Scofield

Has won 2 of last 3 Breeders Cup Classics and BLAMED himself for not winning 3 in row.Still a big time jockey in big races.

You think he was the main reason Zenyatta ran well?

Remember. He's also the jockey that took Flashy Bull 48-wide around the track in the Derby 5 years ago, and finished 14th.

[Danzig]

what got me with smith lately was after the preakness non-run by giacomo, he said immediately after the race that he thought the horse flipped his palate. trainer said that was hogwash.
of course all jocks have bad rides, stupid rides, stupid comments....i'm sure him no more than others...

and i'm pretty sure i could have won all those races on zenyatta.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what got me with smith lately was after the preakness non-run by giacomo, he said immediately after the race that he thought the horse flipped his palate. trainer said that was hogwash.
of course all jocks have bad rides, stupid rides, stupid comments....i'm sure him no more than others...

and i'm pretty sure i could have won all those races on zenyatta.

Shouldn't you get your facts straight first before we consider your opinion?

[pointman]

Smith actually thought that sane human beings other than Giacomo's connections would think that there had to be a reason other than he was slow that excused his 4th place finish in the Preakness?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by pointman

Smith actually thought that sane human beings other than Giacomo's connections would think that there had to be a reason other than he was slow that excused his 4th place finish in the Preakness?

You guys are credible.

The comments were made after the Belmont.

He finished 3rd in the Preakness.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You guys are credible.

The comments were made after the Belmont.

He finished 3rd in the Preakness.

Wow, that really takes apart my point that he sucked up for 3rd instead of 4th in the Preakness. It doesn't really matter which race he said it after.

I can see that you are much more careful than those who you criticize about the accuracy of your statements.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Shouldn't you get your facts straight first before we consider your opinion?

sorry, didn't look it up to verify which race, was going on memory only. but feel free not to consider my opinion at all, regardless of whether i got the right triple crown race.