Jones on HDG and weight

Kasept · #1 03-20-2012, 01:20 PM

This is almost certainly Rick Porter shoving Jones in front of the question. WTF? The filly drags Larry's 185 pound cowboy azz around in the mornings... you telling us 126-130 is going to burden her? Ridiculous. If they weren't prepared to face the handicap that comes with what she accomplished, then they shouldn't have come back.

TouchOfGrey · #2 03-20-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

If they weren't prepared to face the handicap that comes with what she accomplished, then they shouldn't have come back.

King Glorious · #3 03-20-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

This is almost certainly Rick Porter shoving Jones in front of the question. WTF? The filly drags Larry's 185 pound cowboy azz around in the mornings... you telling us 126-130 is going to burden her? Ridiculous. If they weren't prepared to face the handicap that comes with what she accomplished, then they shouldn't have come back.

I agree with part of this. The fact that owners and trainers cry over what really isn't a lot of weight is sad and disappointing. You have 2yo fillies carrying more weight in maiden races than the reigning HOY carried in her seasonal debut. That's stupid. In days past, this weight thing wouldn't be an issue. She's get what she deserved and run where they planned. But in today's game, it's different. There is so much competition between the tracks to get the star horses that you are able to hold out from a spot if you don't like what you are given because you know some other racing sec will give you what you want.

There's also another issue at play here where I sort of agree with Porter and Jones. I don't know if the issue is necessarily how much HDG would get but rather how much she'd have to give to the others. I think if they were all carrying 140, we wouldn't be hearing about the issue. But since we still do handicap racing here, the spread will continue to be the issue. Say HDG and Royal Delta met up. I think we'd hear the same complaints from them whether the weights were 110-106 or 140-136. I do understand where they are coming from with this. To most people, they'll look at it and say that four pounds doesn't make a difference. They might be right. Would six pounds make a difference? What about 10 or 20 pounds? The point I'm trying to make is that at some point, it does make a difference and I don't think that it hits all of a sudden (ie, four pounds no difference but five pounds equals a length). I wish they'd end handicap racing period and just run them all as weight for age/sex stakes.

OldDog · #4 03-20-2012, 02:07 PM

If you wanna be an all-time great, you're gonna hafta carry the weight.

Alan07 · #5 03-20-2012, 02:22 PM

I'm willing to bet she doesn't make it past the summer.

Danzig · #6 03-20-2012, 02:56 PM

if you want people to think you have the best horse, you campaign her like she's the best. they still have their panties in a wad because she lost to proud spell. they're more focused on that then the fact she got HOY, and don't want it to happen again-which is absurd.
she hasn't got a big stud deal to screw up.

my very first thought when i read the article was oh, don't be a pu***. if you're going to bitch and moan all year, just retire her and spare us the drama.

blackthroatedwind · #7 03-20-2012, 03:06 PM

The comments are so hilarious it makes it sound as though they don't believe she deserved Horse of the Year.

I just hope the Obeah is under allowance conditions.

Indian Charlie · #8 03-20-2012, 03:14 PM

Sigh.

It's such a burden having a reigning HOY.

You people have no idea.

Danzig · #9 03-20-2012, 03:42 PM

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The comments are so hilarious it makes it sound as though they don't believe she deserved Horse of the Year.

I just hope the Obeah is under allowance conditions.

they are hilarious. obviously they're fishing for low weights.

the sad part-it'll work. then if she has another good year, they'll turn around and politic for a repeat as HOY without having earned it.

Thunder Gulch · #10 03-20-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

if you want people to think you have the best horse, you campaign her like she's the best. they still have their panties in a wad because she lost to proud spell. they're more focused on that then the fact she got HOY, and don't want it to happen again-which is absurd.
she hasn't got a big stud deal to screw up.

my very first thought when i read the article was oh, don't be a pu***. if you're going to bitch and moan all year, just retire her and spare us the drama.

Campaigning the "best" like the best went out the window a few years ago...oh nevermind, don't want to rehash that old argument. Fans want to see champions run, but a 10 race campaign like Cigar ran less than 20 years ago is no longer the way the game is played.

Danzig · #11 03-20-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Campaigning the "best" like the best went out the window a few years ago...oh nevermind, don't want to rehash that old argument. Fans want to see champions run, but a 10 race campaign like Cigar ran less than 20 years ago is no longer the way the game is played.

yeah, i know it. it just blows my mind that they're still sore over HDG losing to proud spell-yeah, that one pound made all the difference.

it's just a shame.
we need more owners like martha gerry, who owned forego. ah, wouldn't that be so nice?