A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Antitrust32]

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

so, they have access to id when they register, but not when they actually go to vote?



and i thank you for not quoting, greatly appreciated!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

Read the story about the 96-year-old woman I posted. Many people over 50 have had birth and marriage records lost or unavailable.

[Riot]

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

[bigrun]

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

Good grief. There is so much published on "voter fraud", one just has to google it, to see it is virtually non-existent nowadays.

And the fraud that is there is usually due to poll workers, NOT people pretending to be who they are not voting.

The Southern Strategy lives, as does Voter Disinfranchisement. The ultra-cons hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and they are still fighting it.

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

[Riot]

"A government that undermines the very foundation of its existence - the people's inherent, pre-constitutional right to vote - imperils its legitimacy as a government by the people, for the people, and especially of the people," said the eight-page opinion by Dane County Judge Richard Niess.

"It sows the seeds for its own demise as a democratic institution. This is precisely what 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 does with its photo ID mandates."

Niess' opinion in it's entirety, here:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/voteridruling.pdf

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

i wonder if obama checked i.d. before they killed that us citizen in yemen? wonder how that all stands constitutionally??

[Antitrust32]

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are. it's got nothing to do with constitutionality, obviously they don't care about that ol' piece of paper.

almost 500 views on this thread, about 1/3 that many on the u.s. can kill it's own thread. but this issue is so much more important, especially since the other doesn't exactly paint dem. politicians in a good light.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are.

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it. Wouldn't that actually make sense? Government provides free state IDs to those who need it. Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it.

1) Because we have a Constitution giving all citizens the same freedoms, and anti-constitutional things must be fought. And they are being fought. And they are being overturned as unconstitutional.

2) Yes, the Dems are trying to help people get voter ID's from what I can see.

Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

The law has today been overturned as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State Constitution. Not needed.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

1) Because we have a Constitution giving all citizens the same freedoms, and anti-constitutional things must be fought. And they are being fought. And they are being overturned as unconstitutional.

2) Yes, the Dems are trying to help people get voter ID's from what I can see.



The law has today been overturned as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State Constitution. Not needed.

We have a constitutional right to own a gun yet you can't get one without an ID. Isn't that same segment disenfranchised from owning a gun?