Gulfstream DQ 12/26 Race 8

Dahoss · #1 12-26-2011, 09:23 PM

Anyone else impacted by this today? I'm biased because I bet the horse that was DQ'd but I'm trying to rationalize the DQ and I just can't. The horse that was allegedly interfered with was not cost a placing and the winner was multiple lengths the best.

With all of the talk about trying to attract new bettors and keep the ones we have, it seems like DQ's like this do nothing but deter people from playing our game. I can't blame them.

Steve, not sure if you are planning on having Tim Ritvo on anytime soon, but I'd be interested in hearing him or someone at Gulfstream provide an explanation for this. We're owed as much I think.

GPK · #2 12-26-2011, 10:14 PM

You have a link to the replay, Hossy? I can't find it on Gulfstreams youtube channel.

The Devil · #3 12-27-2011, 05:45 AM

Andy is pissed!

Kasept · #4 12-27-2011, 06:31 AM

Hossy and Andy have plenty to be pissed about. This is the worst kind of objection/decision.. where a horse going nowhere is brushed or sideswiped by an onrushing runner yet is given a placing by the stewards out of the inquiry. Cruz and Saturday Launch -- who were all over the place -- actually jumped out into the path of Argentine Tango ahead of the incident. These are 2yo's in a turf race. There's going to be some hijinks and the stewards do horseplayers no favor interjecting themselves in a result where the contact had no affect on the outcome.

Hoss.. We're off this week, but will have Ritvo on plenty when doing the show from GP in a few weeks. But how much can track management do when the judges react to things in this manner?

Alan07 · #5 12-27-2011, 06:51 AM

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Hossy and Andy have plenty to be pissed about. This is the worst kind of objection/decision.. where a horse going nowhere is brushed or sideswiped by an onrushing runner yet is given a placing by the stewards out of the inquiry. Cruz and Saturday Launch -- who were all over the place -- actually jumped out into the path of Argentine Tango ahead of the incident. These are 2yo's in a turf race. There's going to be some hijinks and the stewards do horseplayers no favor interjecting themselves in a result where the contact had no affect on the outcome.

And the thing is there wasn't an inquiry to begin with! It only got looked at by Cruz's late objection.

Is it me or does there seem to be many objections on a daily basis at GP this year?

#6 12-27-2011, 07:13 AM

Maragh is notorious for riding all over the place.

MisterB · #7 12-27-2011, 07:47 AM

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Maragh is notorious for riding all over the place.

He reminds me of the taxi cab drivers in the Phillippines. 8-9path to the 2 and 3 path in 2 seconds. Only person who should be pissed is Stanley Gold for the great ride he got.

Dahoss · #8 12-27-2011, 10:40 AM

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Hoss.. We're off this week, but will have Ritvo on plenty when doing the show from GP in a few weeks. But how much can track management do when the judges react to things in this manner?

I hear ya. I guess I'm just looking for an explanation from someone at Gulfstream for this kind of stuff. At least with NYRA you get the stewards corner on their website that provides explanations for better or worse.

Dahoss · #9 12-27-2011, 10:42 AM

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Only person who should be pissed is Stanley Gold for the great ride he got.

The ride he got yesterday was miles better than the one the horse got in his previous race. But don't we as bettors have a right to be mad when we get screwed like this?

blackthroatedwind · #10 12-27-2011, 10:50 AM

Penalizing bettors in this manner is bad for the game. The game depends on asking people to solve puzzles in order to continue playing the game. When haphazzard calls deprive people from receiving the fruits of their hard work you only discourage people from playing. There was zero justice served by yesterday's call and plenty of unjust punishment.

MisterB · #11 12-27-2011, 11:10 AM

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The ride he got yesterday was miles better than the one the horse got in his previous race. But don't we as bettors have a right to be mad when we get screwed like this?

He is reckless and doesn't care about what he could have done to others in the race. This was a warning shot across his bow. He cost Animal Kingdom and could have injured many more with his profound bull ring riding antics. His reputation precedes him. I have been mad as hell with many calls too. You never hear a peep though when it goes the other way. You live and die with what we get, some good, some bad.

MaTH716 · #12 12-27-2011, 11:13 AM

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He is reckless and doesn't care about what he could have done to others in the race. This was a warning shot across his bow. He cost Animal Kingdom and could have injured many more with his profound bull ring riding antics. His reputation precedes him. I have been mad as hell with many calls too. You never hear a peep though when it goes the other way. You live and die with what we get, some good, some bad.

But why punish the bettors? Couldn't they just give him days and leave the horse up?

MisterB · #13 12-27-2011, 11:28 AM

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But why punish the bettors? Couldn't they just give him days and leave the horse up?

That's what I say too when it works against me, blame the stewards. As players we suck it up and move on. What other choice do we have--none. I am sure there was a nice old lady who hit.

Dahoss · #14 12-27-2011, 11:29 AM

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But why punish the bettors? Couldn't they just give him days and leave the horse up?

This would be an appropriate penalty IMO, but if you see the head on, I don't even think he deserves days.

Dahoss · #15 12-27-2011, 11:37 AM

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That's what I say too when it works against me, blame the stewards. As players we suck it up and move on. What other choice do we have--none. I am sure there was a nice old lady who hit.

Something tells me your opinion on this might be a little different if Liquidity Trap was the one DQ'd. Don't think you'd be so quick to "suck it up" had that happened.

3kings · #16 12-27-2011, 11:43 AM

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He is reckless and doesn't care about what he could have done to others in the race. This was a warning shot across his bow. He cost Animal Kingdom and could have injured many more with his profound bull ring riding antics. His reputation precedes him. I have been mad as hell with many calls too. You never hear a peep though when it goes the other way. You live and die with what we get, some good, some bad.

Would you feel the same way if your son hadn't recieved a better placing?

MisterB · #17 12-27-2011, 11:54 AM

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Something tells me your opinion on this might be a little different if Liquidity Trap was the one DQ'd. Don't think you'd be so quick to "suck it up" had that happened.

I been down the road on many DQ's, I don't get all wrapped up in it like others do. If you play, you know what can happen. Nice try to derail the topic though. In fact, I didn't play the race.

MisterB · #18 12-27-2011, 11:58 AM

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Would you feel the same way if your son hadn't recieved a better placing?

I don't think it mattered to him, he didn't win the race, or was he going to. My son has nothing to do with placing, and he has walked away from some pretty bad calls. This is about a jockey who rides like a cowboy, and is going to get somebody hurt, but you and others don't care about that I see.

3kings · #19 12-27-2011, 12:02 PM

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I don't think it mattered to him, he didn't win the race, or was he going to. My son has nothing to do with placing, and he has walked away from some pretty bad calls. This is about a jockey who rides like a cowboy, and is going to get somebody hurt, but you and others don't care about that I see.

I agree about the jockey. I too did not have a wager on the outcome but this was a horrible takedown. The bettors were screwed by punishing the jockey, there has to be a better way. Leave the horse up, fine the jockey his portion of the purse plus $5000. And suspend him.

MisterB · #20 12-27-2011, 12:07 PM

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I agree about the jockey. I too did not have a wager on the outcome but this was a horrible takedown. The bettors were screwed by punishing the jockey, there has to be a better way. Leave the horse up, fine the jockey his portion of the purse plus $5000. And suspend him.

I can agree to that, the best horse got the shaft, and the public payed the price. But we all know this kind of thing happens in racing, everywhere. But we keep going back for more don't we.