well, did we win?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not so sure you could say they want us there. they're just accepting of it in germany, cause there's nothing they can do to change it.
as for japan, they've been trying to get us out of there, especially okinawa, for years.

You honestly believe this? We are in those two countries specifically because they werent allowed to have a huge military buildup post world war 2 yet needed the protection from cold war Soviet Union and now in the case of Japan as a counter to China.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You honestly believe this? We are in those two countries specifically because they werent allowed to have a huge military buildup post world war 2 yet needed the protection from cold war Soviet Union and now in the case of Japan as a counter to China.

i know why we stayed there after the war. but it's been 70 years now. things have changed. however, the fact that we're still there doesn't mean japan and germany still want us there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know why we stayed there after the war. but it's been 70 years now. things have changed. however, the fact that we're still there doesn't mean japan and germany still want us there.

Have they really changed that much? N Korea has nukes, Russia will soon have a dictator once again, Iran is close to nukes, the Chinese have recently been rattling sabres. Japan and Germany get a personal bodyguard at a fraction of the cost it would have to spend if they did it themselves. Japan has had economic issues far longer than us and you better believe that they are happy to have us there when the N Koreans lob another rocket over them like they did not that long ago. If the Germans wanted us out, we would have been out but they dont want us to simply move to Poland which would be happy to have us.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have they really changed that much? N Korea has nukes, Russia will soon have a dictator once again, Iran is close to nukes, the Chinese have recently been rattling sabres. Japan and Germany get a personal bodyguard at a fraction of the cost it would have to spend if they did it themselves. Japan has had economic issues far longer than us and you better believe that they are happy to have us there when the N Koreans lob another rocket over them like they did not that long ago. If the Germans wanted us out, we would have been out but they dont want us to simply move to Poland which would be happy to have us.

you are correct that germany makes out economically since their protection is on our dime. and thats my point...we are paying thru the nose for them. does it help us?