well, did we win?

[Riot]

No, I don't think we "won" anything, even though a dictator is gone, and no, I most certainly don't think it was worth over 4,000 dead and 35,000 wounded Americans. Let alone being completely unfunded, and contributing to putting this country into massive debt.

George Bush, I will never forgive you for this, for killing and hurting so many Americans. And it's why you cannot fly to Europe, or you'll be arrested for war crime trials.

[Clip-Clop]

Not just a dictator, the most evil of all dictators in modern world history. Those soldiers did not sacrifice for nothing and countless innocent lives are spared as a result.
But you go ahead and stick with the negative and continue to blame one man as if he can act alone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Not just a dictator, the most evil of all dictators in modern world history. Those soldiers did not sacrifice for nothing and countless innocent lives are spared as a result.
But you go ahead and stick with the negative and continue to blame one man as if he can act alone.

You bet. Bush didn't have to ask the House and Senate to pass a War Act against Iraq.

But he did.

Yes, he had plenty of accomplices. Many making the decision based upon the lies Bush told.

If you think the war was a good thing, and worth it, stand up and make your own argument

[Antitrust32]

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

it was either one of two things or both:

1) he was given wrong information

2) Saddam and Iraq got their WMD's out of the country while the UN and US were threatening them but before they were attacked.

I'd say the answer is most likely 1

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq and found no WMD's. this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars, etc)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying. Bush is not an evil man. Saddam was an evil man.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

Geeshus focking cripes, that's not what the hell I said.

I said that what Bush told Congress were lies. False information. Untruths.

it was either one of two things or both:

Or other things that you neglect to mention. But the information was false. The decision to go to war was made based upon lies.

Instead of addressing my post, why don't you answer 'Zig's question, and post your own opinion?

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq and found no WMD's. this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars, etc)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying. Bush is not an evil man. Saddam was an evil man.

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

it was either one of two things or both:

1) he was given wrong information...Bullcrap, he (Cheney & Co,) didn't like the first info and told George Tenet to 'fix' it..

2) Saddam and Iraq got their WMD's out of the country while the UN and US were threatening them but before they were attacked.,,..More bullcrap, the Israeli's took out his nuclear plants years before...so he had some mustard gas, big deal...

I'd say the answer is most likely 1

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq... nuff said... this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars,)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying....It wasn't for sake of lying, he wanted to be a wartime pres and avenge the hit Saddam had on daddy.. Bush is not an evil man.,he's a stupid man... Saddam was an evil man....yes but so what, was absolutely no threat to us..did you shed a tear when he gassed his own people?

[Antitrust32]

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

you really really think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

You do realize that it is illegal via international law - and an act of war - for one country to enter another's borders and assassinate another country's leader just because they don't like him?

Right?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

you really really think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

one well trained sniper or a drone attack was all we needed.

war for oil-like what just happened in libya??

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

First, yes, there are people in the Bush administration that have publicly said Bush was very interested in retaliating for the attempted assassination of his father.

Secondly, the "war for oil" argument has no credibility whatsoever - unless you are a country that illegally declares war on another so they can steal their natural resources. You know, like if Iraq declared war on us, to steal our oil?

Good grief. You can't just invade countries because you don't like them or you want their stuff!

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

you really really think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

Daddy one of the reasons,,,Everyone of his 'reasons' proved to non-existent.
If it was oil, why didn't we drain their oilfields?...

According to U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the reasons for the invasion were "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's alleged support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people." However, former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council Richard A. Clarke believes Mr. Bush came into office with a plan to invade Iraq. According to Blair, the trigger was Iraq's failure to take a "final opportunity" to disarm itself of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that U.S. and British officials called an immediate and intolerable threat to world peace. In 2005, the Central Intelligence Agency released a report saying that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq.




^ Andrew Buncombe, "Richard Clarke: 'Iraq could be much more of a problem for America than if Saddam had stayed in power', The Monday Interview: Former White House security chief", The Independent, Washington, June 14, 2004..

...how'd that work out...

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Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think we "won" anything, even though a dictator is gone, and no, I most certainly don't think it was worth over 4,000 dead and 35,000 wounded Americans. Let alone being completely unfunded, and contributing to putting this country into massive debt.

George Bush, I will never forgive you for this, for killing and hurting so many Americans. And it's why you cannot fly to Europe, or you'll be arrested for war crime trials.

and this one from London Daily Mirror after 2004 election...